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DAF 575 oil filters 17 Sep 2017 21:35 #95123

Andy Soper wrote: As most barges don't need an oil and filter change more than once a year why not stick with the present old-fashioned arrangement with a paper seal? moisten it well with clean oil and assemble carefully - job done - for another year.

That's just what I've been thinking while reading this conversation. The original system works fine and not too messy when you know how to do it. It's no big deal once a year. Just make sure you have the right sealing ring, which should come with the filter.

Judy originally asked "Has any one got any advice about a leaking o ring on my oil filter. Causing about a litre of oil to drip out every day"
The simple answer is 'use the right seal'..

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DAF 575 oil filters 17 Sep 2017 21:02 #95122

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Hello Tim,

Yes you could break into your cooler circuit and install a spin on filter -and leave the existing filter in place with the innards removed.

Not neat but a possible solution.

As most barges don't need an oil and filter change more than once a year why not stick with the present old-fashioned arrangement with a paper seal? moisten it well with clean oil and assemble carefully - job done - for another year.

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DAF 575 oil filters 17 Sep 2017 21:02 #95121

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Hello Tim,

Yes you could break into your cooler circuit and install a spin on filter -and leave the existing filter in place with the innards removed.

Not neat but a possible solution.

As most barges don't need an oil and filter change more than once a year why not stick with the present old-fashioned arrangement with a paper seal? moisten it well with clean oil and assemble carefully - job done - for another year.
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DAF 575 oil filters 17 Sep 2017 16:06 #95116

One more twist. I have an oil cooler on my 575. The out and in lines are thru a large plate directly behind the plate/housing unit that holds the old style filter (see pictures - www.dropbox.com/home/Tim%20-%20Public%20Share ). Does anyone have such a set-up? Could these hose fittings be used with a remote filter attachment? Would need to plug the 2 holes that now go to the old filter.

Where is the pressure adjustment screw that I have seen discussed elsewhere on this Forum? Is it on the plate/housing for the original filter set-up? (I hope not) And I am assuming that a by-pass would be part of any remote filter set-up.

Tim

Rest assured I will not be doing anything without a DAF familiar mechanic giving an OK but I like the idea

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DAF 575 oil filters 16 Sep 2017 10:28 #95079

Tim,

My Daf came, as for David's, with a remotely mounted filter connected by hydraulic hoses. I made the change to a spin-on filter head very easily therefore. Just a bit of messing with pipe fittings!

You will almost certainly need an adaptor plate. I think you will find, if you remove the filter head from the side of the engine block, that there are just two plain ports in the block for the oil flows, not tapped. My engine has (I think: I am not there) a cast iron adapter with threaded ports to take hydraulic hose fittings. It should be perfectly possible to make up a similar adaptor plate in mild steel, with suitably threaded standard steel sockets welded in, then the face of the plate would need to be skimmed flat since the welding will distort it, all perhaps a job for a sensible engineer but unlikely to be too expensive.

You could also use a thick piece of plate, say 12mm, and tap it for the hydraulic fittings, which would save having to weld in fittings and might avoid skimming the plate, in which case it is a job for a reasonably good home workshop.

Here is the relevant page from a manual. It may not be your exact Daf model but the design is probably the same.

www.manualslib.com/manual/1009377/Daf-Dd-575.html?page=54#manual

If you were to have one adapter plate made up why not have several made : you could probably sell them!

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DAF 575 oil filters 16 Sep 2017 08:01 #95072

OK You have gotten my attention. One more question. How have you managed the interface of pipe or hose at the engine block? Or is the interface with the original top unit of the oil filter housing? Might one get lucky and find threads already in place? Or some other way to connect?

Tim

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DAF 575 oil filters 16 Sep 2017 00:18 #95071

Tim Horchler wrote: David

You said: bought an off the shelf spin on fitting, connected it to the two pipes. Now I buy the largest diesel spin on filters that fit, Crosland 308 or Baldwin BT237 seem to work well.

Could you post a few pictures. Maybe this is a way to skin the cat.

Tim
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Sorry on hols now but looks a bit like the one Derek posted a link too. Make sure you connect the hot hose to the outside so that the flow is outside of filter to inside. As mentioned my original one was remote anyway. Shouldn't be a problem if the hoses are large enough diameter, short and high pressure. And can take the heat.

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DAF 575 oil filters 15 Sep 2017 20:52 #95066

A remote housing for a spin on. Interesting idea.

For David again - maybe I will see how you get oil from and to engine with pictures but wondering about reduction of flow as the result of securing a pipe or hose from and to engine. How did you do this? Is this a concern? Is there any impact at all? I know one can adjust oil pressure at the filter housing; is an adjustment needed with the new set-up??

And for Chris, the DAF god - what do you think?

Would like to really overcome this thorn in the side; keep the ideas and pictures coming.

Tim

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DAF 575 oil filters 15 Sep 2017 20:12 #95065

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DAF 575 oil filters 15 Sep 2017 18:12 #95062

David

You said: bought an off the shelf spin on fitting, connected it to the two pipes. Now I buy the largest diesel spin on filters that fit, Crosland 308 or Baldwin BT237 seem to work well.

Could you post a few pictures. Maybe this is a way to skin the cat.

Tim
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DAF 575 oil filters 14 Sep 2017 19:19 #95041

Vink does not have this part.

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DAF 575 oil filters 14 Sep 2017 02:13 #95034

I modified our 475 to spin on years ago. The original oil filter was remote anyway on two high pressure lines. I recall I bought an off the shelf spin on fitting, connected it to the two pipes. Now I buy the largest diesel spin on filters that fit, Crosland 308 or Baldwin BT237 seem to work well.

So I suspect you can connect high pressure lines to where on the engine the main filter connection bolts on and then remotely fit a standard spin on housing. Fit it with the housing at the top then you can change the filter without spilling a drop.

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DAF 575 oil filters 14 Sep 2017 00:13 #95031

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With regard to spin on oil filters, a few years ago I had the last two adapters of the 200 that DAF made. I was told by DAF at the time that there were none left in the 'world! It might be worth enquiring at a DAF dealer if you are talking to them, but I don't hold out much hope. You could try a lorry scrap yard or maybe Vink Diesel in the Netherlands.

However, the adapter part number is/was - D0631126 and the spin on oil filter - D0114786.

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DAF 575 oil filters 13 Sep 2017 23:58 #95030

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Hi,

This is an amalgamation of the last few messages on this subject that I've written to members recently.

The usual source of a leak on the 575 (and 415 and 615) oil filters is the sealing ring fitted into a groove on the filter bowl mounting head. This not a rubber o ring but a hardish thin ring onto which the filter bowl sits and seals when the bowl is tightened up. See the drawing on page 19 of :-Forum/technical/DAF engines library/operators manual for marine engines.
Most manufacturers of replacement filter elements do not include this ring with the element, but a genuine DAF element will have this ring included in the box. If buying a non DAF element check that there is a ring before buying. There are some rubber O rings in the system, but they never been known to give any problems.

The DAF part number for the element is D0236481, with a UK cost of about £7-£8. If you want to find a DAF dealer look at this DAF web site:-
www.daf.com/en/dealer-locator-page?country=FR&city=03400|Moulins&range=-1&support=true

When fitting the new element fill up the bowl with as much oil as you can. Once fitted and before starting the engine, pull out the engine stop control and turn the engine over on the starter motor, until you get an oil pressure reading on the gauge. This will ensure that all the bearings etc are lubricated.

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DAF 575 oil filters 13 Sep 2017 23:36 #95029

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Hello Judy,

Vinkdiesel.nl might be a source.

However if your 575 is like mine with a filter mounted with a 30 degree
down angle it may not fit.

I've been using the paper seals since 2000 - bit fiddly but they do seal
if used carefully and moistened with oil before fitting.

An old kitchen plastic jug can be wriggled under the drain plug to drain
the filter backed up with oil absorbent material to catch the drips!

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DAF 575 oil filters 13 Sep 2017 22:54 #95028

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THANKYOU all for your advice
For the moment it's not leaking with the O ring fitted ,but if it starts leaking again we will try to replace the O ring with the paper gaskit and see if that works.
However we would really like to change it to a spin on filter, does anybody know where we can get hold of a spin on conversion kit please fir our DAF DD 575 ?

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DAF 575 oil filters 13 Sep 2017 20:22 #95022

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Here is a picture from the gaskets I use. The one to the left is a paper gasket that I have bought separately from the oil filter. The right one came with the oil filter and is made of plastic/rubber material.
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DAF 575 oil filters 13 Sep 2017 11:34 #95008

I have had the same problem with my first oil change on my 575. A real mess. Filter came with O-ring and that was what was installed previously. On one of my attempts the ring somehow got chewed up and even more oil. By standing on my head I can see the O-ring location in the housing and it does appear to have a space for such a ring.

However, in the workshop manual for my 575 they refer to the gasket as an O-ring; "check the O-ring ...". For the part name it says "rubber ring". Does anyone know what a "rubber ring" means? Doesn't sound like a flat non-rubber gasket material.

From Nils's statement using only a gasket (not an O-ring) is the correct way.

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DAF 575 oil filters 12 Sep 2017 20:59 #94995

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I asume that you have the original oil filter with an cartridge in a steel cup, not the new spin on filter. In that case, an O-ring is not the original gasket. There should be a flat gasket suplied with the oil filter. If not, a separat gasket can be bought from bunker boats in Belgium or Holland. Van Den Bossche in Belgium has them, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. A silicone gasket tube has been used with a gasket to make it tight. Not my choice, I was not lucky with that.
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DAF 575 oil filters 11 Sep 2017 15:39 #94975

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Has any one got any advise about a leaking o ring on my oil filter
Causing about a litre of oil to drip out every day

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