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TOPIC: Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add

Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 12 Sep 2017 18:03 #94992

Hans Egli wrote: a dog free zone ;-)


No dogs in bedroom at night time (or on beds / sofa / armchairs at any time), like at home. These are our dog free zones. (Do you really want two soggy, soppy golden retrievers on your sofa with you?) Otherwise they're free to roam round the boat when moored (but tethered on their leads in the wheelhouse while underway).

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 12 Sep 2017 17:54 #94991

Paul Hayes wrote: I missed out

Safety equipment - Fire Extinguishers = Life jackets - two anchors - All serviceable of course.

Paul


A couple more things to add to your list, Paul, even if fairly obvious: smoke alarm and CO alarm.

Having had my 3 fire extinguishers professionally checked yesterday, I also invested in a new smoke alarm and a new CO alarm (gas hob; wood burning stove).

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 07 Sep 2017 14:18 #94912

Apologies if already mentioned:
Bicycle, and repair kit.
A good seating position but also easy visibility of instrument when seated. My barge was designed by a taller man than me :)
A locking deck stowage.
A decent freezer : some 12v ones struggle to get really cold.

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 06 Sep 2017 18:46 #94900

Agree about dishwasher - we should be able to do our own washing up and as you say, you need twice as much crockery, glassware and cutlery.

Agree with decent size fridge (and larder space) but I favour a small freezer, preferably top loading to keep the cold in, for ice, frozen bread and meat that is often difficult to find in villages. I don't freeze fresh milk as it lasts 7 days in the fridge and we can normally find supplies every few days. However we do keep a few small UHTs for when it runs out - in preference to thawed fresh!

I have a ceramic hob which is very wasteful of power and tricky to control. We have an efficient portable induction hob and am considering ripping out the ceramic and replacing with a 4 burner induction. Gas is better still but often tricky to retro-install.

In winter a slow cooker is great and uses very few watts!

Peter

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 06 Sep 2017 18:10 #94899

a dog free zone ;-)

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 06 Sep 2017 18:05 #94898

Good company, or peace and quiet on your own, whichever you prefer.

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 06 Sep 2017 11:34 #94896

I think a good sized freezer is almost essential unless you like UHT milk. Increasingly the smaller FR supermarkets either don't stock lait frais or have run out when one visits. So the easy ability to freeze 8 ltr or so of milk is pretty valuable. Plus general bulk buying and freezing multi meal cooking sessions.
We also have a bread maker; again the small villages have lost their boulangeries.

Washing machine saves an awful lot of trouble and hunting for a laundrette, plus the accompanying condensing tumble drier.

And, agree, a full size bath.

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 06 Sep 2017 11:15 #94895

We started with a fully functioning kitchen when we designed Friesland's layout, but still had to make minor adjustments over time. Salads are fine in summer and require minimal cookware,, but one thing we found to be very useful are Cristel saucepans which have separate handles - especially as Di loves cooking and needs more than one saucepan ;-) They are expensive but they save an enormous amount of kitchen space. Conversely one thing we found irrelevant and eventually threw out was the dishwasher. Even with four guests on regular basis as a school we just didn't have enough plates etc to warrant the room it took. We put in 2 fridges with small freezer compartments but no stand-alone freezer and found that worked very well. In France there are generally markets and places to buy fresh food close to hand and the only necessity then is for ice for G&T and maybe a Magnum or two.

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 06 Sep 2017 10:47 #94894

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 06 Sep 2017 10:08 #94893

If you have the room then a workshop of some sort, even if its just a small bench with a vice on it , a workmate or similar is just about ok but if you can squeeze in power tools, maybe even a cheap and nasty welder if you have the power then you can keep everything running.

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 06 Sep 2017 08:36 #94887

Paul Hayes wrote: I was recently asked "What should a live aboard (in Europe) barge have.

So off the top of my head here is a list. Not all things will be important to some, and I'm sure I missed a lot, please feel free to add to it.


I’d like to take a slightly different tack on the original question. Perhaps the questioner was asking “What do I need on a liveaboard that I don’t need on a short cruising vessel?

I think it is a real distinction in the function and fit-out of vessel types. What is needed for 365 days aboard is not the same as might be needed for one or even six months of summer cruising. The current discussion seems to be more - what is good to have on a barge - the list for that is so open ended that it's not likely to be terribly informative.

We are in just this situation with Catharina Elisabeth as she was a liveaboard for for fourteen years before we purchased her but (sadly) we can only use her for three months. We can see a number of her features that we don't really need for our purposes and many more on Paul's list that would not be on a 'must have' list if we were starting our anew for a vessel we did not intend to liveaboard.

Using this lens I would, respectfully, say that Paul's original items 6 (the second one, he has two 6's), 8, 11 -14, 15 (washing machine), 17 - 22 are all features that would be important regardless of wether the barge was a liveaboard or not.

The list then becomes:
1) I want to be as comfortable and warm (cool in summer) as a small apartment. With comfortable - house style seating, Brnch
2) Is there enough cooking facilities, we are English and roast and bake a lot, so want an oven + stove top.
3) Is there a Fridge and Freezer.
4) Is there a "Black Water" tank (or room to fit one) It will at sometime in the future be necessarily)
5) Can I watch TV - listen to music, radio. Satellite TV, Winters are long and dark. Is the lighting good inside, can I read in all areas.
6) If friends come can they have privacy (two toilets?)
7) Lots of ventilation - cool in summer - no condensation in winter.
(6,8)
9) If I have hobbies can I do them - jigsaw puzzles need a table - A drum kit takes up space.
10) STORAGE for stuff, you will need summer stuff and winter stuff. Lots of it.
(11,12,13,14)
15) Is there a clothes dryer, or do I need to find a Launderette every week.
16) What fuels the heating - can I easily get and store fuel.

Colin's comments seem to add to this list, as perhaps does David's on a the presence of a bath (if you are so inclined) - as further items that would be more applicable to a liveaboard vessel than one used for summer cruises.

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 06 Sep 2017 02:01 #94885

A bath.

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 05 Sep 2017 15:15 #94871

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I missed out

Safety equipment - Fire Extinguishers = Life jackets - two anchors - All serviceable of course.

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 05 Sep 2017 14:21 #94868

Will your draft and/height stop you going anywhere you would like to go?
And, on a lighter note, is there somewhere cool to srore the wine?
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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 05 Sep 2017 14:17 #94867

Paul,

You seem to have covered most things and I answer yes to all. A few more:

Increasingly have a water filtration system.
Grey water tank - makes sitting on a slipway more comfortable.
Projector and screen - really livens up the winter movies and sport.
Agree with storage. We have a huge amount of space in the bilges. We ski in winter, and that kit takes up space with skis living behind the sofa!
And really helpful - be your own engineer.

Colin Stone
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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 05 Sep 2017 13:32 #94862

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Hi Richard
I did ask for no negativity. The list is for permanent live aboard, not seasonal use.
We could all say we could live in a tent, and yes probably could survive, but would we want to!
I personally cannot see why you would want less comfort and convenience if you live afloat to what would be expected in a house or apartment. Would you live somewhere that is not comfortable and warm, don't think so.
You also say you could live afloat without a lot of things on the list, but do you spend 52 weeks of the year using your boat as a home. It's very different spending the summer season on a boat without say a washing machine, when T shirt and shorts can be washed in a sink, , then tying it up and trotting off to a house with all mod cons, including tumble dryer to dry the winter clothes that a European winter necessitates.
An Engineer, what do you do if your heating or washing machine break down in a house, you call out someone to fix it, why not do the same if you are on a boat.
For French and German - try Google Translate.
Good debate
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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 05 Sep 2017 10:58 #94857

I think the lost gets longer as years go by - my first boat was an old BCN day boat and didn't even have a cabin. I think that I could live without a lot of the above list so long as I could stand back and look at the boat and think what a lovely looking vessel. There are some boats that I see that I could never love even if they came with every conceivable extra and an engineer to fix the stuff when it failed. Could do with a fluent French / German speaker though.

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Things a live aboard boat should have - a list but please add 05 Sep 2017 10:07 #94856

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I was recently asked "What should a live aboard (in Europe) barge have.

So off the top of my head here is a list. Not all things will be important to some, and I'm sure I missed a lot, please feel free to add to it.

Please, do not run me down, this list is in good faith and not to be taken as The Holy Grail. No hierarchy of importance is inferred in any one area.

Some questions I would ask for a live aboard are.

1) I want to be as comfortable and warm (cool in summer) as a small apartment. With comfortable - house style seating, Brnch
2) Is there enough cooking facilities, we are English and roast and bake a lot, so want an oven + stove top.
3) Is there a Fridge and Freezer.
4) Is there a "Black Water" tank (or room to fit one) It will at sometime in the future be necessarily)
5) Can I watch TV - listen to music, radio. Satellite TV, Winters are long and dark. Is the lighting good inside, can I read in all areas.
6) If friends come can they have privacy (two toilets?)
7) Lots of ventilation - cool in summer - no condensation in winter.
6) can I get from the driving position very easily to go outside and handle ropes - very important.
8) Very Very Important - does my other half like what she sees.
9) If I have hobbies can I do them - jigsaw puzzles need a table - A drum kit takes up space.
10) STORAGE for stuff, you will need summer stuff and winter stuff. Lots of it.
11) Good systems - gas - electricity - is the inverter big enough for the wife's hair dryer, if it is are the batteries big enough to feed them. Are they too big.
12) if I am moored "wild" can I make electricity and hot water?
13) can I make hot water while running the engine
14) do I have to be an enthusiast to start the engine and keep it running - Air Start engines in particular - some old engines have "total loss" lubrication and need attention every hour or so.
15) Is there a clothes washing machine and dryer, or do I need to find a Launderette every week.
16) What fuels the heating - can I easily get and store fuel.
17) Does it handle well under way.
18) is the engine "over sized" for the boat, will it work hard enough not to glaze bores and burn oil.
19) Is it over 20 metres, if so has it all the necessary equipment / certification, and when does it need to be renewed.
20) what is the ballast - is it insurable
21) Is there a recent survey. When last out of water - photos please.
22)How old is the hull - has it been over plated - thickness.

These as just some of the questions 12 years living aboard have taught me to ask. Of course the answer to all of them is "Perfect"for my boat- I built it ha ha ha hah ah.

Paul
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