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Dyed fuel 14 Mar 2018 16:53 #97199

I bought mine from Decock here in Brugges. I know that he went to Antwerp just to collect it. Normally this is used in small domestic and greenhouse heating here. I guess much like Esso Blue (paraffin) was in the UK fifty years ago. He was happy as long it was in excess of 500 litres. I ordered 1000 but took all 1100 that he had on the truck. I paid 73.7 cents per litre. This is slightly more expensive than red diesel here I believe.

My heater is jetted for kerosene and I was reluctant to change it unless I really had to. Decock gave me 5 litres to try and that worked fine. I also spoke to the heater manufacturer who thought it would probably be fine. But I don't have a warranty to worry about.

I can't answer your questions about whether the Dutch will have a problem with yellow kerosene.

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Dyed fuel 14 Mar 2018 15:42 #97197

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Ian Boyd wrote: Adrian
I have recently bought Petrole C in Belgium which is kerosene and is dyed yellow. It seems to be slightly different to UK kerosene but seems to work fine in my pressure jet boiler.
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Ah, very interesting. I would want to use it in a pressure jet heater, as that is what the heater is designed for. It can be rejetted for diesel, but that would nullify the warranty.

Please:

- How widely is it available in BE?

- Were you able to buy it in bulk? Was it delivered to you by truck?

- What was the price/litre? How much did you (have to) buy to get delivery?

Also, does anyone know whether the Dutch will accept (yellow) kerosene on board? Or the phone number for a Dutch Customs officer who would tell me?

Thanks.

Adrian

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Dyed fuel 14 Mar 2018 13:27 #97193

Adrian
I have recently bought Petrole C in Belgium which is kerosene and is dyed yellow. It seems to be slightly different to UK kerosene but seems to work fine in my pressure jet boiler.
Regards
Ian Boyd

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Dyed fuel 14 Mar 2018 12:10 #97192

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Adrian - Are you asking because you are having new boat built or a complete refurb on an old one? If not then your existing generator and boiler will dictate the viscosity (in seconds) of the fuel needed. Most tend to be 35 second on boats - ie the same as your main engine fuel. I'm sure the KB explains it, but don't even think of buying red, yellow, pink or green fuel (discounted duty) unless it goes into a tank that is totally isolated (and not just by valves) from the propulsion fuel tank - in any EU country apart from the UK.

Unless you are living on board the extra costs of installing a separate tank for non-propulsion fuel and the hassle of buying the stuff, it's probably best to use unmarked diesel fuel for everything and accept the extra duty on the couple of hundred litres you may burn each year in your generator and boiler. You'd then have much more fuel capacity that would reduce your need to look for fuel and you'd be able to buy it in larger quantities for a better price. I've been buying white diesel fuel for €1.00 for the last 2 years (1 or 2 purchases per year, delivered by tanker) although I anticipate it will be a bit more this year.

A different matter if you plan to live aboard when 2 big tanks are worthwhile.

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Dyed fuel 14 Mar 2018 09:57 #97190

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Thanks, Pete. However, it doesn't give the whole picture, and I wanted to check for fast-breaking news.

In particular, could anyone answer the following, please?:

1. Is 28-second fuel (CLAMC, ~kerosene, UK heating oil) available in bulk in NL. Belgium, Germany?

2. If so, how available, what colour is it, and what approximately is the current price (in bulk, not in bidons)?

3. Do the Dutch allow it on board for HLP (assuming it's yellow, I guess)?

Thanks.

Adrian

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Dyed fuel 13 Mar 2018 19:38 #97180

Hi Adrian
The situation in France is all I can comment on.
Two types of "Red"
1) Fioul - Heating fuel of 35 seconds,
2) NRG (Non Routier Gazole) 32 second low sulfur diesel used in commercial boats, plant, and agricultural machines.
Both low tax (not sure if totally tax free) Fioul price at the moment around 80 E cents per litre,

Yellow - Petrolle (Clamc) kerosene 28 second - yellow (ish) around 1.05 Euro per litre. Often from the supermarket in 20 litre plastic "biddons".

Both allowed for heating or generation. Delivered by tanker or from the pump in Jerry cans, or the very occasional bunker pontoon.
Best not to have either anywhere near the propulsion fuel tank. Big fines if found there.

Paul

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Dyed fuel 13 Mar 2018 19:38 #97179

Hi Adrian
The situation in France is all I can comment on.
Two types of "Red"
1) Fioul - Heating fuel of 35 seconds,
2) NRG (Non Routier Gazole) 32 second low sulfur diesel used in commercial boats, plant, and agricultural machines.
Both low tax (not sure if totally tax free) Fioul price at the moment around 80 E cents per litre,

Yellow - Petrolle (Clamc) kerosene 28 second - yellow (ish) around 1.05 Euro per litre. Often from the supermarket in 20 litre plastic "biddons".

Both allowed for heating or generation. Delivered by tanker or from the pump in Jerry cans, or the very occasional bunker pontoon.
Best not to have either anywhere near the propulsion fuel tank. Big fines if found there.

Paul

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Dyed fuel 13 Mar 2018 15:45 #97175

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The DBA Knowledgebase has a comprehensive article about this .

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Dyed fuel 13 Mar 2018 14:35 #97173

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The general rule is that dyed (e.g. red) fuel may not be used for leisure propulsion afloat. But what about using it for heating, and generating electricity?

That's OK in UK, but outlawed in NL (where no red fuel is allowed on board at all AIUI).

What about Belgium, which is hot against red fuel for propulsion but perhaps not for other purposes?

And how about France, where household heating oil is almost always fioul, which is red and a type of diesel (35 or 32 second), but sometimes Clamc (combustible liquide pour appareil mobile de chauffage) which seems to be a form of 28-second kerosene and perhaps dyed yellow? Will the French allow fioul or clamc on board so long as it isn't used in your main engine ?

I believe that we should not be taxed at the propulsion rate for our household fuel, but can anyone confirm what the actual situation is now on the mainland, please?

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Adrian

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