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TOPIC: Irresponsible Speeding Barge captains

Irresponsible Speeding Barge captains 10 Jul 2018 16:50 #99730

John,

>Don't know quite what the solution is.

Well, perhaps name them here so others are forewarned? Even a Continental topic of such incidents.

If the other vessel is on AIS, one could take a screenshot. This would have all the information to pass / email to a relevant authority. Eg plot attached.

Would this be of any use?

Perhaps a topic for a VNF user meeting to gauge at least French thoughts?

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Irresponsible Speeding Barge captains 10 Jul 2018 16:11 #99729

Charterers can be forgiven a lot, because they just don't know. But professionals, which this post started out as are another matter. This spring I was in the middle of the canal pulling the cord for numerous boats waiting in front of me for a lock. A commercial came fast round the corner (no AIS on) and blew his horn and bashed in to me. He went on past and had to call the lock keeper to get him through the lock as I wasn't going to activate it for him. French boaters told me to call the police, but as there was no damage done, I didn't. 2 days earlier he had not responded to radio requests to pass him. I later learned he had refused to allow other boats past him. He is known as a bad lot to other commercial boaters apparently.
3 years ago I was coming down a smallish canal and knew a 38m was coming. He did, with a short lady driving who could not see, and her husband down in the fore cabin. Despite radio calls and horn blowing we hit nicely and bounced off. The lady said sorry their radio was not working. I informed the VNF at the next lock that he was navigating without a radio and at the following lock a VNF van raced up with the owner of the other boat. He said I had hit him, he was in the wheelhouse and my radios were not working! There was no point in arguing with his lies, so I just told the VNF man what happened and the owner to p.... off.
The attitude of some professionals is pretty hard to take, though there are many nice ones. If a lorry driver behaved like that he would not get away with it. Don't know quite what the solution is.

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Irresponsible Speeding Barge captains 10 Jul 2018 12:14 #99726

> Add to that they had changed to charging for fuel based on engine hours and the incentive is to go as fast as possible.

Is these any charter operator association scheme that operators sign up to? If there is, perhaps they should be encouraged to insist that members charge for fuel according to actual consumption - as rental cars. I guess all charter companies have their own (or are very close to) bunker facilities, so not difficult for them. Charging per hour should be outlawed and charging by consumption would have the effect of encouraging low boat speed. A "code of practice" should also include instructions about speed limits and consideration to other waterways users. Perhaps wishful thinking!

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Irresponsible Speeding Barge captains 10 Jul 2018 08:42 #99722

The last time we rented was 9 years ago and the boats don't have any speed indicators nor do the instructors ever mention the speed limits Add to that they had changed to charging for fuel based on engine hours and the incentive is to go as fast as possible.
Commercials should know better.

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Rob Davidson - ARMIDA

Irresponsible Speeding Barge captains 10 Jul 2018 08:41 #99721

The last time we rented was 9 years ago and the boats don't have any speed indicators nor do the instructors ever mention the speed limits Add to that they had changed to charging for fuel based on engine hours and the incentive is to go as fast as possible.

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Irresponsible Speeding Barge captains 09 Jul 2018 20:49 #99718

Interesting that the head of VNF who gave an address at the Briare Rally 2 years ago said their major maintenance budget was spent on repairing damage caused by speeding boats. Here we're talking about risk/discomfort to other boaters but I wonder if those hooligans will still complain about the potential closure of these canals and the consequent effects on their businesses/future employment.
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Irresponsible Speeding Barge captains 09 Jul 2018 20:33 #99717

I clocked (on AIS) a hotel barge called Van Gogh travelling at 24.6 kph past moored boats. We felt the influence from the wash for nearly 10 minutes.
Today I witnessed the 'training session' for some novice hire-boaters. The Le Boat trainer demonstrated how to controls on the boat worked, and he was pushing the boat at well over 10kph. If this is the standard of the training, no wonder the hire-boaters travel everywhere of full throttle.
Its not only the commercials, its also the hotel river boats and the training for hire-boaters that needs to be addressed.
However, this is a losing battle from the outset.
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Irresponsible Speeding Barge captains 09 Jul 2018 17:59 #99716

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Having spent 5 weeks in Belgium and now just back into France, who can tell me if there is a formal complaint system to "dob in" speeding barges.
We have just arrived in Deulemont and a clown in an empty 80m barge just passed the Port de Plaisance at at least 20 kph throwing up a 60cm wave that smashed through the harbour and belted the daylights out of every pleasure boat in sight. Surely these idiots are responsible to the VNF or the Waterweg group who can track their speed from lock to lock. This clown made no attempt at all to slow down and his actions were reckless, irresponsible and dangerous. A similar episode happened while we were in Beernem in Belgium.
Are we just unlucky or are we all expected to tolerate behaviour which we as pleasure boaters abhor. We slow down when passing marinas etc n- why are they not chastised. I have spoken with a number of experienced boaters and there are a number of barges with ongoing reputations for bad behaviour.

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