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Police Checks Belgium 06 Oct 2018 08:58 #101554

Thanks for the info Chris as I did not have this readily available.
We were also inspected last month in Belgium and had no problems although, as a Dutch registered vessel we were asked for our Meetbrief. We do not have a new Meetbrief but have all (3) the old ones as far back as 1924 and as far as I know they are not issued anymore? The officers were happy to see the Kadaster Registration document, along with all the licences etc and checked our ATIS enabled VHF's.
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Police Checks Belgium 05 Oct 2018 13:52 #101547

No sooner have we arrived back for winter than Esme gets an inspection by Belgian Government Scheepvaartdeskundige Inspectie Pleziervaart in the Coupure and without any problem but they wanted to see our Belgium regulations docs which we have as a pdf on our helm computer. This was perfectly acceptable but in case others need this, you can find it at barges.org/knowledgebase/regulations/links-to-regulations under the Belgium heading with links to their new website 'Pleasure Boating' document in English and Flemish. This KnowledgeBase page also has other country links too for FR, NL, UK and DE.
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Police Checks Belgium 30 Jun 2018 13:55 #99582

Chris
Thanks for that, most useful.

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Police Checks Belgium 26 Jun 2018 18:23 #99508

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Yes Steve - one operator minimum. No licence is needed to listen - only to transmit and in an emergency anyone send a distress call. Over 20m two radios ATIS enabled are required - but I wasn’t re-writing the Knowledge Base - just trying to summarise the key points and point to the best information available on the web-site.

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Police Checks Belgium 26 Jun 2018 16:56 #99506

Andy Soper wrote:
Both the boat and the crew will need VHF radio licences.

Much more detail here - barges.org/knowledgebase/regulations


Andy, I am for 99,99% Shure that ONLY the operator need a personal licence, and onley those persons who have also a personal VHF licence (that’s the law, but in practice...)

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Police Checks Belgium 26 Jun 2018 15:12 #99504

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Hello Lisa,

The barge only requires a Boat Safety Certificate in UK and then only inland.

As she is 23m you do need a European Certificate (abbr in various languages to CBB, CVO, TRIWV or ES-TRIN). Th3se regulations will be much more deamnding from 31 Dec 2018 - no certificate - lower price!

The skipper needs an ICC examined on a boat over 10m and with a CEVNI endorsement (waterway highway code)

Both the boat and the crew will need VHF radio licences.

Much more detail here - barges.org/knowledgebase/regulations
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Police Checks Belgium 26 Jun 2018 13:12 #99501

Hi - totally new to this and not actually completed my purchase yet but...
Would you need a BSC or a ICC ? (23m long barge)
Thanks x

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Police Checks Belgium 11 Jun 2018 21:40 #99347

Chris Grant wrote: Peter

It sounds as though you have not looked at the document. It's simply a
multi lingual xls template to modify to your needs and print out a cover
sheet for the index of your helm ring binder. Of course all the
documents in my ring binder divided sections are original.

On 20/10/2015 12:55, DBA Forum (WCE) - Peter Cawson wrote: But wouldn't
the police want to see original documents rather then an owner-produced
Excel spreadsheet? You could be making it all up! Peter


Sadly yet another example of PC not engaging all his faculties before rushing to post!

Thank you, Chris, for your very organised and well documented system. May I say members wishing to view this should skip down the list to SEP12_4.

My ring binder contains most of what you say but without the index sheets. Must find time to take your lead.

Best wishes to you and to Diana,

Bob
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Police Checks Belgium 20 Oct 2015 18:30 #67767

All times we've been checked (once in 8 years) the Belgian police were happy to accept copies of all relevant documents.

Michel

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> Op 20 okt. 2015 om 13:59 heeft DBA Forum (WCE) - Chris Grant het volgende geschreven:
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> Peter
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> It sounds as though you have not looked at the document. It's simply a
> multi lingual xls template to modify to your needs and print out a cover
> sheet for the index of your helm ring binder. Of course all the
> documents in my ring binder divided sections are original.
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> On 20/10/2015 12:55, DBA Forum (WCE) - Peter Cawson wrote: But wouldn't
> the police want to see original documents rather then an owner-produced
> Excel spreadsheet? You could be making it all up! Peter
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Police Checks Belgium 20 Oct 2015 13:59 #67751

Peter

It sounds as though you have not looked at the document. It's simply a
multi lingual xls template to modify to your needs and print out a cover
sheet for the index of your helm ring binder. Of course all the
documents in my ring binder divided sections are original.

On 20/10/2015 12:55, DBA Forum (WCE) - Peter Cawson wrote: But wouldn't
the police want to see original documents rather then an owner-produced
Excel spreadsheet? You could be making it all up! Peter

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Police Checks Belgium 20 Oct 2015 12:55 #67741

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But wouldn't the police want to see original documents rather then an owner-produced Excel spreadsheet? You could be making it all up!

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Police Checks Belgium 20 Oct 2015 09:23 #67722

A ring binder index template is available to down load on the website forum posting of this message for anyone who would like to use it. Obviously, replace all my ship details with your own!

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Police Checks Belgium 06 Oct 2015 11:50 #67276

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On 5 Oct 2015, at 23:04, DBA Forum (WCE) - Andy Soper wrote:

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> Hello Pete,
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> Not quite. - you quote 700 x 700 when it is 600 x 600 only for SMALL craft (under 20 m)
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CEVNI Art 3.03 says simply:
3. They shall be large enough to be easily visible; this condition shall be considered to be satisfied in all cases:
(a) For the boards and flags if neither the length nor the width is less than 1 m or, in the case of small craft, less than 0.60 m;


So strictly 1m (or 60cm) square is simply a recommendation that it satisfies the requirement that it is easily visible. I don't see any problem with Board Members sharing differences on boating style on-line by the way.

I don't find the aesthetics of a blue board objectionable (though they are prone to damage on trees on small canals) but Nick's light should satisfy the practical and legal requirements, night and day. However although better than nothing flags are not easily seen, especially on a windy day.

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Police Checks Belgium 06 Oct 2015 11:26 #67275

I have a 1m x 1m hand-held blue flag & a flashing white light on the starboard roof of the wheelhouse of my 22m Luxemotor Hoop op Zegen. All compliant with TRIWV & much cheaper than fitting an ugly Blue Board.
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Hello Pete,

Not quite. - you quote 700 x 700 when it is 600 x 600 only for
SMALL craft (under 20 m)

What you think is a reasonable relaxation may be OK
to you and me - but not the policeman.
I also got a gentle ticking off for
trying to moor to the railings with the stern rope with the head rope on the
bollard - and the next bollard 20m astern,

(As Board Members perhaps we
should share our differences off line?)



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Netherlands
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barge to join - a dream of barging in Europe will do'. See www.barges.org


On 5 Oct 2015, at 22:48, "DBA Forum (WCE) - Pete Milne" wrote:

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Andy Soper wrote: > ...it is important we give the rules first
and then, possibly, the likely relaxations - as I think you agree?
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> I do indeed and I think that's exactly what I just said!
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Police Checks Belgium 06 Oct 2015 10:55 #67270

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Sorry - should be

CEVNI v5 rules - Blue Board sizes For normal ships 1000mm x 1000mm. For small ships (under 20m length) 600mm x 600mm.

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Police Checks Belgium 06 Oct 2015 10:51 #67269

"DBA Forum (WCE) - Andy Soper" wrote:
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> Hello Pete,
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> Again - the CEVNI v5 rules - BB 1m x 1m. For small craft (under 20m) 600m x 600m.
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600 metres by 600 metres, wow, that's a big boat! :-)

Maybe I'm trying to teach grandmother to suck eggs (or I didn't
understand what you meant at all) but the conventional way to write
600 square metres is 600M^2 (sometimes omitting the 2).

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Police Checks Belgium 06 Oct 2015 10:49 #67268

"DBA Forum (WCE) - Andy Soper" wrote:
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> Hello Pete,
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> Not quite. - you quote 700 x 700 when it is 600 x 600 only for SMALL craft (under 20 m)
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Ah! I did misunderstand, you were quoting the size of a 'blue board',
sorry folks! :-)

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Police Checks Belgium 05 Oct 2015 22:48 #67258

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Andy Soper wrote: ...it is important we give the rules first and then, possibly, the likely relaxations - as I think you agree?

I do indeed and I think that's exactly what I just said!

Pete

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Police Checks Belgium 05 Oct 2015 22:32 #67256

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Hello Pete,

Again - the CEVNI v5 rules - BB 1m x 1m. For small craft (under 20m) 600m x 600m.

Agreed - the reasonable policeman will accept 'the spirit' -!as did ours - our BB is only 600 x 2 - but you cannot rely on that and we must explain the rules to members first - and then acknowledge the exemptions.

Neither pair accepted Caroline's offer of coffee or cake - we may be into a new regime of number of checks achieved rather than number of coffees/cakes? The check-list is high on serial numbers rather then effectiveness of the equipment - OTOH they may feel that if you have all the right paper you have the right equipment as well - a pragmatic approach.

As Board members it is important we give the rules first and then, possibly, the likely relaxations - as I think you agree?

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Police Checks Belgium 05 Oct 2015 22:14 #67254

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Practical experience as well as knowledge of the regulations is valuable, which is all we have been adding to Andy's post.

Those of us with 20-30m boats live in a legal mist where many rules are designed for (much larger) commercials and pretty clearly inappropriate to pleasurecraft of our size. That makes it important to know the regulations and be aware of which ones you choose to (or have to) breach (e.g. a 700mm blue board), so you know when to be deferential to a policeman in a bad mood! Also carry good coffee & cake.

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