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TRIWV 06 Nov 2018 23:37 #102255

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Hi David, for your info sent you an email re your previous thread
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TRIWV 18 Sep 2018 09:06 #101167

Hello David,

That is why the cut-off this year is important. It gives the ship grandfather rights to be inspected under the manifest danger rule at every renewal. There should be confirmaton of this on page 13a of the European Certificate.
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TRIWV 18 Sep 2018 00:03 #101162

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Thank you once again Andy. One more, if you'd be so kind: Suppose the vessel is over 20 metres and already has a TRIWV valid until, say, 2023. Would this be ok, or would the end of the "manifest danger" exemption in December invalidate the TRIWV if it was issued under that exemption and the vessel perhaps not meet the full regulations?

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TRIWV 17 Sep 2018 20:53 #101160

Hello David,

Currently there is a relaxation known as 'manifest danger' eg your existing ship is not a danger to others although it might not meet all of the regulations.

The regulations apply only to ships over 20m overall length or those whose length x beam x maximum draught in metres exceeds 100. There is no suggestion that these limits be reduced.

However craft (over 2.5m and under 24m) built since 16 June 1998 should have a Recreational Craft Directive certificate and only need a TRIWV /ES-TRIN certificate if over 20m.

And there I was thinking that our KB Articles shed light in dark corners.........

When you have found the perfect barge happy to answer any further specific questions on certification!

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TRIWV 17 Sep 2018 20:29 #101159

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Thank you for that helpful reply. Can I clarify one thing?: You state:
"Don't forget that the regulations become stiffer from 30 December 2018 and after that all ships will have to comply to all requirements as a new ship without the current relaxation of 'manifest danger'"
Does any of this apply to vessels under 20 metres, or is this only relevant to vessels requiring TRIWV?
Is there anything new regarding vessels under 20 metres of which I should be aware as I re-enter barging after a 18 month hiatus?
Sorry to be dense but the regulations are so byzantine. A simple reply from someone who actually understands them will save me a confusing few hours of frustration. Thanks again in anticipation.

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TRIWV 17 Sep 2018 19:17 #101158

Hello David,

The bad news is that no UK based surveyor is authorised to survey for TRIWV (now ES-TRIN) as the UK dreogated from the Directive and MCA refused to authorise any surveyors. RYA are MCA agents for issuing a European Number.

See more here: barges.org/knowledgebase/regulations/regulations-boats/triwv/more-about-triwv for a plain language explanation of the requirements.

Register Holland is authorised by the Dutch government to certiify for European certificates and the surveyors will travel tp UK - at a cost. EOC is an NL insurance company who will are also allowed to certify - but expect you touse their insurance services.

Don't forget that the regulations become stiffer from 30 December 2018 and after that all ships will have to comply to all requirements as a new ship without the current relaxation of 'manifest danger'

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TRIWV 17 Sep 2018 17:28 #101153

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Good day gentlemen all. My wife and I have spent 7 summers aboard our barges in France, (we've owned two in succession). We sold our last one summer 2017 but want to re-enter barging in 2019. It's just too good to miss! My question is: A few of the barges I'm looking at are located in UK and are just over 20 metres. How would I go about getting a TRIWV on such a craft under these circumstances? Is there any other certification that would be valid for European waterways? Can anyone suggest a surveyor qualified to advise and to issue same.
We've previously owned 15 metres and 17 metres so this is a matter that I've never had the need to research before. Any input appreciated.
Thanks and regards to all,
David

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