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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 14 May 2019 20:25 #105778

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Dankie Menheer Pieterse maar ek verstaan u 'post' niks nie. Ons sluiswagters was wonderliks en dit was een van die heerlikse stukke water wat ons tot dus ver geniet het.
Merci.
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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 13 May 2019 08:03 #105736

Shaun the ONLY RIGHT you have in France is to enjoy life. So you can not demand strenuous actions from others.
I found it most effectively, when needing something extra from a lock keeper to greet him with the preface. "Mon General...and stretching out your hand to offer the bottle of wine you are holding". It got me immediate help, even once during the sacred hour of lunch !
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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 13 May 2019 07:52 #105735

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Seems 100% - up to Sens anyway. 'Oldtimer' is headed to Migennes via Joigny today and they would have mentioned if there were any problems between here and there.

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 11 May 2019 13:51 #105668

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Hello All

What's the current position on getting from Briare to Migennes?

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 11 May 2019 13:44 #105667

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All went well thank you!

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 25 Feb 2019 20:45 #104076

Shaun,

It is perfectly in order to request the help of VNF staff. If the lock keeper says the bief is down it is more than reasonable to ask for it to be raised to the correct level.

We have done just the opposite, before we dropped our air draft a little, in order to get under a bridge. I am sure you will find lock keepers more than helpful if you only ask... in their language, of course!

Good luck in April.

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 25 Feb 2019 20:30 #104075

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Whew, that is very interesting.
How do we ask any lock keeper to let in more water anywhere? Do we have a right to do this or is it just courtesy on their part? Maybe he did it without us knowing that he had done so in the knowledge that we might have encountered problems?

We di not notice how low the biefs were - it was quite a stressful time waiting for the scrape/bang.

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 25 Feb 2019 18:43 #104073

Shaun Cullen wrote:
Thank you again, Bob,
I mean the bit between Ecluse Briare 2 and Ecluse Cognardiere 4. We draw 1.15m and when we were doing the last part of our cruise in October 2018 the lockkeeper said that we could do the trip from Ecluse 4 to Ecluse 2 at Briare at our own risk as the water levels were low and there was a real possibility that we would run aground - advertised water level is 1.2m, which I had not noticed when making our winter booking. We emptied our water tanks and made it through without any incident (apart from some anxiety) - we just hope that the winter silt deposits have not exacerbated the situation making our late-April departure northwards problematic.


Firstly, I have changed the date for you and thus removed your supplementary post.

If a lock keeper says the water levels are low and therefore continuing is potentially putting your vessel at risk, I suggest you should have asked the lock keeper to run some water down. There is an enormous pound above l'écluse 4 so that should not have caused a problem.

Did you notice how low the two biefs were? If you have a handle on that you can assess the situation better come your departure in late April. Check it out well ahead and speak with the lock keeper to ensure the two biefs are "on".

Concerning the title I changed it to include the Canal de Briare this morning.

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 25 Feb 2019 18:05 #104069

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Bob Marsland wrote:

Shaun Cullen wrote: Thank you, We were hoping that they would do some dredging on the very first embranchment section from the Port de Plaisance to where it meets the canal proper.


Shaun,

Can you be a bit more specific please. Do you mean the very short section between the junction and l'écluse Cognargière 4? Or maybe between the Port de Plaisance and l'écluse Briare 2?

Further, can you tell us your vessels draft and exactly where you have touched bottom.

Cheers,

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Thank you again, Bob,
I mean the bit between Ecluse Briare 2 and Ecluse Cognardiere 4. We draw 1.15m and when we were doing the last part of our cruise in October 2018 the lockkeeper said that we could do the trip from Ecluse 4 to Ecluse 2 at Briare at our own risk as the water levels were low and there was a real possibility that we would run aground - advertised water level is 1.2m, which I had not noticed when making our winter booking. We emptied our water tanks and made it through without any incident (apart from some anxiety) - we just hope that the winter silt deposits have not exacerbated the situation making our late-April departure northwards problematic.

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 25 Feb 2019 17:47 #104067

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David Almond wrote: Sounds like you might mean Auxerre Shaun. Could you explain more? David


Hi David,
Mea culpa. This thread had to do with Kevin's voyage from Briare to Migennes which is why I took it down the line of asking about the C. de Briare. See my reply to Bob below (when I can get PCN working).

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 25 Feb 2019 11:31 #104059

Shaun Cullen wrote: Thank you, We were hoping that they would do some dredging on the very first embranchment section from the Port de Plaisance to where it meets the canal proper.


Shaun,

Can you be a bit more specific please. Do you mean the very short section between the junction and l'écluse Cognargière 4? Or maybe between the Port de Plaisance and l'écluse Briare 2?

Further, can you tell us your vessels draft and exactly where you have touched bottom.

Cheers,

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 25 Feb 2019 11:08 #104058

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Thanks everyone for the replies. I'll just have to stay put until I get there in April. New plans being made now.

If anything should change let me know.

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 25 Feb 2019 09:33 #104057

Sounds like you might mean Auxerre Shaun. Could you explain more? David

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 25 Feb 2019 05:31 #104056

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Thank you, We were hoping that they would do some dredging on the very first embranchment section from the Port de Plaisance to where it meets the canal proper.

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River Yonne 24 Feb 2019 15:35 #104053

Further to what I have written here about the Canal de Briare, should anyone want further details of the works being carried out, or scheduled to be carried out, on the river Yonne please see David Almomd's post in this forum category as follows:

VNF User Group Meeting (CLU) UTI Nivernais - Yonne 12/12/2018 Paris (posted: 19 Feb 2019 10:27). . #103994

and download the attachment.

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 24 Feb 2019 15:03 #104052

Shaun Cullen wrote: Bob, do you have any idea what they are doing to the Briare Canal?


Hello Shaun et al,

VNF try to effect maintenance on the ’tourist waterways’ during the basse saison, or low/winter season. They consider the tourist season runs from May to September. The attached notice of chômages, which I have downloaded in English, shows the many waterways closed during the period referred to in this thread.

www.vnf.fr/avisbat/RechercheAvisWebAction.do?page=telechargerPDF

Unfortunately, the VNF Direction Territoriale Centre-Bourgogne have not kept the VNF website up to date with the minutes of their User Group Meetings. However, I have received the minutes of the last meeting held on 11th October 2018 which I copy here for you to read (in French):

file:///Users/bobmarsland/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Mail%20Downloads/C9BD96E1-258D-4B59-86D5-533191B0085F/CR%20CLU%2011.10.18.pdf

The relevant part, concerning the future chômage on the Briare, in brief states:

Dates of stoppage: 02/12/2019 to 22/03/2020.

Reason for the long duration of stoppage: Automisation of the 10 locks in the northern sector of the canal between Rogny and Montargis.

Preparation of the remainder of the waterway, between Rogny and Briare, for automisation, including replacing lock gates, repairing the masonry of locks and making watertight lock gates that are otherwise in good condition.

I suggest the maintenance taking place during the current stoppage will have work taking place connected with preparation for the future automisation of the locks in this sector.

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 22 Feb 2019 15:23 #104044

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Bob Marsland wrote: there is no doubt in my mind that the considerably larger stoppage on the Canal de Briare from 28 January to 24 March 2019 between Briare, écluse 2 and La Reinette, écluse 34 is an obstacle you will not be able to overcome.


Bob, do you have any idea what they are doing to the Briare Canal?

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River Yonne 21 Feb 2019 19:08 #104036

Kevin Wade wrote: Great! Well that's my cruising season stuffed! I need to make another plan I guess.


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River Yonne 21 Feb 2019 18:58 #104035

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Great! Well that's my cruising season stuffed! I need to make another plan I guess.

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River Yonne / Canal de Briare 11 Feb 2019 15:45 #103858

Kevin et al,

I have just received from VNF the latest version of the stoppages list, Carte des chômages 2019 Seconde édition dated 18 December 2018.

There is no mention of a stoppage on the Yonne. That is because the Avis à la batellerie that Paul posted a link to is for a change in the timetable, Nouveaux horaires de navigation. While, for urgent and acceptable reasons it may be possible to arrange for navigation during the times there defined there is no doubt in my mind that the considerably larger stoppage on the Canal de Briare from 28 January to 24 March 2019 between Briare, écluse 2 and La Reinette, écluse 34 is an obstacle you will not be able to overcome.

Sorry to disappoint.

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