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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 09 Nov 2018 07:07 #102295

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I had an e mail from TH with the following attached

Town and Country Planning Act 1990 (as amended)
Application for: Full Planning Permission
Location: Limehouse Marina Limehouse Basin, The Highway, London, E14 8BT
Proposal: Construction of five pontoons to provide leisure moorings
Reference: PA/17/03268
Further to your observations regarding the above planning application. I write to inform you that the Development Committee
will consider this application at their meeting to be held on 14 November, 2018. Please be aware that if you have sent in a
petition, you should pass this information on to those who have signed the petition as we will not be able to send individual
letters to the signatories.
The meeting will take place in the Council Chamber at the Town Hall, Mulberry Place, 5 Clove Crescent, London E14 2BG,
commencing at 6.30pm. Members of the public are welcome to attend the meeting and observe the proceedings. The public
gallery can accommodate up to 50 people. Copies of the agenda papers will be available to view at One Stop Shops and
libraries across the borough and at www.towerhamlets.gov.uk/committee .
The Council's Committee procedures do allow local residents and other interested parties to address the Committee for up to
3 minutes before the Committee debate the application. These are verbal presentations only and no additional material can be
presented or given to Councillors during the meeting. Two slots are available on a first come basis. If you wish to register to
speak you must inform the Senior Committee Officer by 4.00pm on 12 November, 2018. It is recommended that email
or telephone is used for this purpose. This communication must provide the name and contact details of the intended speaker
and whether they will be speaking for or against the application. For STRATEGIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE please either
call 020 7364 4877 or email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. For DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE please either call 020 7364
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If you have any questions regarding the planning issues covered in the committee report, please phone 020 7364 5009. For
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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 08 Nov 2018 16:04 #102273

Wow timing is everything! Having posted that I then hear about a thread on London boaters which has a blurry screen shot saying its been approved after some wrangling and now going for final approval with a meeting on 14th November. Andrew Phasey at SPCC appears to leading a charge on it - 07850 753 633.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 08 Nov 2018 15:50 #102272

This is still ongoing and I believe even more revisions etc have been made with various toings and goings to the planners. As previously seems unfair that a submitted plan can be revised and no counter arguments supplied from various interested parties.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 23 Aug 2018 10:11 #100638

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I agree the driver is purely financial and I think its unfair that revised plans can be submitted, but no further comments are allowed. I also note that this is still down for delegated approval despite all the objections. Surely the planning committee should be the route for any controversial planning decisions, if the council were following their own planning procedures.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 23 Aug 2018 09:58 #100637

Andrew Harrison wrote: I cant see anything in the new plans that would change the Councils own Place Shaping Team finding that the proposals are not acceptable.


I'd agree however the fact that the deadline has long since passed and adjustments are being made and supporting evidence submitted would suggest they are being steered in a way for this to be granted. For the new owners it would be a significant loss of income if not approved as visitor mooring rates are high.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 23 Aug 2018 09:45 #100636

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I cant see anything in the new plans that would change the Councils own Place Shaping Team finding that the proposals are not acceptable.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 22 Aug 2018 16:46 #100623

Whilst being a PITA about other planning issues affecting Limehouse (Thames pathways) I noticed that new documents had been added to the planning portal on 20th August. There has still been no outcome although I have heard that the planners are positive about it etc.

One item I noted within the document is that SPCC and other groups will have free of charge grandfathered rights to moor for their cruises so long as bookings are in place by end of December each year. SPCC were indeed vocal against the submission and I suspect they remain vocal against it even with such a concession as it still means they cannot do ad hoc events as sometimes is the desire. I don't know if the DBA are considered as a group eligible for grandfather rights or not.

No idea what the window attachments relate to assume that is something added by mistake for another property.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 17 Jun 2018 14:36 #99396

Biggest change I see Is the actual size of the pontoons being defined and the boats being a little smaller in length on the pontoons. Same overall impact.
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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 17 Jun 2018 13:22 #99392

Version 5 of the plan has now been added to the Planning Portal - attached

Doesn't look any better to me!

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Coookham
0044 (0) 303 666 0636

You don't need a barge to join - a dream of boating in Europe will do'. See www.barges.org

Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 02 Mar 2018 19:19 #97009

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I have just had a look on TH planning website and noticed an additional document had been added. Its from the councils place shaping team, identifying the proposal as not acceptable. I have attached a copy.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 01 Feb 2018 16:38 #96411

Wow did some good research in that reply.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 01 Feb 2018 15:26 #96408

RYA response 31/01/18
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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 01 Feb 2018 13:31 #96406

12 additional comments added yesterday including I believe from CA and the RYA.
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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 31 Jan 2018 07:38 #96388

Thanks Andrew, I notice the Limehouse Bertholders Assocation objection isnt on there so have sent this document to the Chairman. I suspect like you he emailed their response directly. Will be interesting to see how the planners view it all. A good mix of local land residents and crusing clubs + IWA. Only neutral was a lady who didnt like the hen and stag parties that gather there and beleives it might be better policed.

Considering my bow looks at this space ive not come across any crazy parties on teh moorings. Yes some hens come and regularly use a broads crusier, normally over by early evening.
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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 30 Jan 2018 21:47 #96386

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Find attached the 57 comments which I will also e mail to TH Planning, if they can't find them for themselves.
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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 30 Jan 2018 20:16 #96383

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Andy Soper wrote: I sent the DBA objection to the planning officer Hoa Vong and the development planning address, as requested by Tower Hamlets and recieved an acknowledgement of receipt.

However - there appears to be a further glitch , as although 57 comments have been made, it doesn't appear possible to view them (usual with other authorities) .


It is possible to view them, if you register to comment then raise an objection. Mine simply said I will e mail my objection. You can then read the other objections. Once you log out though you're back to square one.

So are Tower Hamlets going to
1) Ignore the comments because of a glitch. Closing day tomorrow still shown on the website
2) Extend the time for comments and alert all respondents to the issue
3) Press on regardless

I would argue they are not following proper procedure. Its their system thats broke not ours
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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 30 Jan 2018 12:34 #96378

Thought you might have done, just wanted to raise it for others.

On the TH site Ive never been able to see the comments so not sure if it is a glitch or if thats the way its supposed to be.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 30 Jan 2018 12:17 #96377

I sent the DBA objection to the planning officer Hoa Vong and the development planning address, as requested by Tower Hamlets and recieved an acknowledgement of receipt.

However - there appears to be a further glitch , as although 57 comments have been made, it doesn't appear possible to view them (usual with other authorities) .

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Best Wishes
Andy Soper
DBA Director
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Coookham
0044 (0) 303 666 0636

You don't need a barge to join - a dream of boating in Europe will do'. See www.barges.org

Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 30 Jan 2018 12:02 #96375

Received this in an email from teh berthholders association,

You should also send a copy of your objections/support/comments to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. as Tower Hamlets Planning Dept have said there is a glitch in their system which means comments may not get registered. They have recommended sending an email or a letter.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 23 Jan 2018 11:09 #96331

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The moorings in the corner which were commercial moorings were designated as visitor moorings in a previous BWML application. At the same time the leisure moorings were Sam now has a berth, which were the visitor moorings were reclassified and the pump out relocated. In that application BWML were very clear about what constituted Visitor and what constituted Leisure , whilst maintaining that for planning purposes they both came under the leisure umbrella.

The cynic in me might think that in this new application BWML may have applied for leisure without defining them as visitor to create a smoke screen of objections against a particular issue, that they can easily row back from, ie simply re-designate them. That in itself, however, would not negate the objections made on loss of amenity for visiting boats, open water space or navigational safety.
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