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TOPIC: Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings

Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 23 Jan 2018 10:04 #96330

Hello Sam,

Planners do not appear to recognise visitor moorings - they are just part of leisure moorings. The other categories are residential and commercial.

The full grounds for our objection to the application are contained in our paper which I have attached to this post. The only way to protect the current free short term moorings is to object to the entire plan.

The moorings in the NE corner are registered as commercial.

Members may not be aware but South Dock Marina, Hermitage and Downs Road all have visitor moorings - which are less expensive than Limehouse Marina visitor moorings. St Kats visitor moorings are similar in price to Limehouse.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 23 Jan 2018 08:58 #96329

Andy,
Although they have asked for leisure moorings in their application which is contracry to all we saw before when it was all about visitors they are saying "visitor" falls into that scope of leuise classification so the intention is to have these for visitors (who will pay of course). Now that is not to say that this wont change over time and no further planning would be required if they decided to use these as true leisure moorings resulting in even less visitor space.

In winters the visitor moorings in the far corner do become winter moorings which a couple of DBA members actively use.
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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 22 Jan 2018 18:09 #96326

I have sent an objection today, on behalf of DBA:

DBA objects to planning proposal PA/17/03268/NC because:
Although the proposed development would increase revenue for BWML through the installation of additional leisure moorings, this will be at the detriment to visiting skippers of vessels of all shapes and sizes due to the significant reduction in visitor moorings available.
Navigational safety is very much compromised because of the restriction in the space left available within the basin for manoeuvring, by the construction of the new pontoons. This situation is then compounded by relocation of the services pontoon, making this restricted area the busiest navigational zone within the basin.
The much impaired disabled access for visiting boaters, crew and visitors to the basin, discriminates against a section of society that have limited access to the pleasures of the waterways.
The proposed plan is detrimental to the use of the basin by our members, the general public, visiting skippers and boating organisations. The plans are contrary to planning policy and we urge rejection of the current proposals.

There was a much longer lead in which I will share if yo7 interested!

My thanks to Andy Harrison for doing so much of the research and the first draft reply.
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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 16 Jan 2018 14:42 #96285

On walking around the marina last night I only spotted ONE laminated planning sign that was at knee height tied to a post next to the marina entrance. If I didnt use the entrance every day then I wouldnt have spotted the change.

The portal appears to be down a lot, I guess a fair few London boaters and the suchlike from FB might be overtaking it.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 15 Jan 2018 13:36 #96281

Thanks Andrew, I posted on the FB page just hadnt had a chance to do so on here as I had promised. The statutory signs are still not up in and around the location, however I believe that is a Tower Hamlets job etc. It is very common knowledge local that the planning has been submitted and has been shared on both London Boaters and New London Boaters Facebook pages accordingly.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 15 Jan 2018 13:15 #96280

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To comment on the application you have to register first by supplying name, address, e mail address and a password. I have just done this and it is relatively straight forward. You can then log in under the comments tab and object/support/neutral and add comments.

My personal view is this further reduces the options for casual moorings on the tideway and greatly restricts the number of moorings available along the wall that can be had by breasting up.

I haven't commented yet but do intend to object

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 15 Jan 2018 13:00 #96279

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I have just checked on Tower Hamlets planning portal and the application is now live as of 4th Jan

See Link https://development.towerhamlets.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=DCAPR_124097

Consultation is due to end 31st Jan

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 19 Oct 2017 11:44 #95406

Hello Sam,

Please could you post a link here when the planning application is live.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 18 Oct 2017 00:01 #95388

Andy
I don't think the plans make much of a difference to the general marina view. I'm not aware of any advocates of it as such and believe the local community forum who sit on the planning committee are also not in favour.

The recent change of pump out location has a personal impact as now it will be right outside my windows, which in itself is just the way it goes. So long as it is appropriately isolated form the marina with a fence so randoms cannot just walk about unchallenged (or when I am about challengend by me which sometimes escalates as some people don't like it being pointed out to them)

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 17 Oct 2017 21:53 #95387

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The revised plan still removes much of the 24hr moorings. What is general marina consensus, is it still anti the development?
I for one plan to object when planning application is made, based on loss of amenity, with precious little alternative, for boats navigating the tidal Thames . (not that I think it will achieve much!!).

Anyone have better arguments?

Andy

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 16 Oct 2017 17:13 #95374

I've got back from the movement of the barge across France to see a revised plan in the Marina office. It's not as yet been submitted for planning. M
Some reduction in finger/mooring lengths and the movement of pump out so it will be Next to my boat.

I am guessing it will officially go for planning shortly.
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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 09 Aug 2017 11:57 #94334

Planning not submitted yet (I'll update on here where it is as the notices will go up around the marina as is required).

The ropes have been tangled with by several vessels and have had to be moved back into place on a few occasions (that I know of as stern of my boat overlooks them).

Locally I've not actually heard of anyone in support of the plan that has been drawn up. there is a strong community forum in Limehouse that officially sits on planning who I believe are against it so will be interesting to see where it goes.
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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 09 Aug 2017 11:19 #94331

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Sam Archer wrote:

Andrew Harrison wrote: We are currently sat on the CRT 24Hr moorings on the wall at Limehouse. When I went to book a lockout I noticed a plan in the lock office for redevelopment of the 24Hr moorings. Basically they are proposing to change quite a large section from CRT 24 Hr visitor moorings to BWML marina visitor moorings. The current disabled pontoon will be extended toward the lock with 5 finger pontoons into the marina basin.

This plan will mean the loss of the disabled pontoon and severely impact on the number of 24hr free of charge moorings available in Limehouse and as those 24hr moorings are in the narrowest location toward the lock breasting up will be limited.

I cannot find the planning application on line so suspect it hasn't been filed yet.I will personally write a letter objecting to the proposal when it is filed. Not that it will get me anywhere

Andy


The planning application isn't in yet. They put the plans out for local consultation to marina dwellers and the local Limehouse Community Forum, the general consensus of opinion is that is not wanted and excessive with the biggest argument being navigational issues. In the winter they will become winter moorings so for some of you wanting somewhere to stay it will be a positive.

The rope and bouys are there and are being filmed to prove that it wont cause an issue for navigational purposes as this appears to be the strongest argument against the development from the water based people. From other planning apps I have heard of elsewhere the local planners default to CRT as the experts on navigation, hence I presume why this approach has been taken.

Loss of open water and an increase in boats outside the flats is unlikely to be a strong argument from the landdwellers in the blue balcony flats as part of Victory Place development.

For some of the larger marina dwellers it will require the barge/widebam to be reversed in or reversed out as you wont be able to turn at the pump out as you currently can as the space directly opposite will be taken. If you have no bow or stern thrusters this could be an issue.


Does anyone have any update as to what is happening? I have looked recently and can see no planning application as yet. How has the local consultation gone?

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 05 Jun 2017 14:41 #91390

Andrew Harrison wrote: We are currently sat on the CRT 24Hr moorings on the wall at Limehouse. When I went to book a lockout I noticed a plan in the lock office for redevelopment of the 24Hr moorings. Basically they are proposing to change quite a large section from CRT 24 Hr visitor moorings to BWML marina visitor moorings. The current disabled pontoon will be extended toward the lock with 5 finger pontoons into the marina basin.

This plan will mean the loss of the disabled pontoon and severely impact on the number of 24hr free of charge moorings available in Limehouse and as those 24hr moorings are in the narrowest location toward the lock breasting up will be limited.

I cannot find the planning application on line so suspect it hasn't been filed yet.I will personally write a letter objecting to the proposal when it is filed. Not that it will get me anywhere

Andy


The planning application isn't in yet. They put the plans out for local consultation to marina dwellers and the local Limehouse Community Forum, the general consensus of opinion is that is not wanted and excessive with the biggest argument being navigational issues. In the winter they will become winter moorings so for some of you wanting somewhere to stay it will be a positive.

The rope and bouys are there and are being filmed to prove that it wont cause an issue for navigational purposes as this appears to be the strongest argument against the development from the water based people. From other planning apps I have heard of elsewhere the local planners default to CRT as the experts on navigation, hence I presume why this approach has been taken.

Loss of open water and an increase in boats outside the flats is unlikely to be a strong argument from the landdwellers in the blue balcony flats as part of Victory Place development.

For some of the larger marina dwellers it will require the barge/widebam to be reversed in or reversed out as you wont be able to turn at the pump out as you currently can as the space directly opposite will be taken. If you have no bow or stern thrusters this could be an issue.

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 03 Jun 2017 13:12 #91345

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The info on the link is definitely misleading as it says that the current length of 24hr moorings will be retained when it clearly will not from the plan.

There is also Q&A info in the lock office see attached.




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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 03 Jun 2017 11:54 #91342

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Works without the 'hello' as here

bwml.co.uk/limehouse-basin-visitor-moorings-trial/
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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 03 Jun 2017 09:24 #91338

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I have tried to reattach Andy's link as it went page not found on me

bwml.co.uk/limehouse-basin-visitor-moorings-trial/

Also pic I took of new plan in the office

I think the info in the link is misleading as when I asked yesterday they told me the pontoons were going to be BWML bookable moorings not free 24hr moorings. I will go and ask again this morning to clarify

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 02 Jun 2017 23:11 #91333

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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 02 Jun 2017 23:02 #91332

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What found today?
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Limehouse basin 24 Hr moorings 02 Jun 2017 22:07 #91330

Hello Andy,

Well spotted.

This, found today, and posted only yesterday may give some clues!

Please do respond and copy me.

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