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Friesland boatyard recommendations please 21 May 2022 10:32 #129816

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Chris,.... times are changing..... i was last time there and what i saw was not really possitive.
If you have 16! (And more) projects on let say 200m2 and no good functioned mangement than i should say watch out. The painting/cleaning goes well, but then.... do this do that... then it starts to get the right people on your barge (and finish it). And the $-clock is ticking....
So watch out what you say... i send also people to srf, i dont do that anymore.

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Friesland boatyard recommendations please 25 Jan 2022 18:56 #127715

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Tam Murrell wrote: Plan ahead is very good advice. We used to have a boatyard and it was always the "just" jobs that led to shock on behalf of the customer - the ones that went "While we're here will you just do this and just do that", which they somehow implicitly believed would be done for free.

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How very true Tam!

These things can be more of an issue in the Netherlands where the mindset is very much that everything must be charged for. Because the industry is relatively much larger the tax authorities can assess how much turnover the yard should be generating. It is harder for yards to "lose" anything if they overrun because there is much greater regulation and the tax authorities know just how much profit to expect to see from every sheet of steel or batch of timber or hour of each employee's labour, just as the VAT people in the UK have the power to make their own assessment of how much profit a corner shop should be making.

As always, detailed specifications and quotes should be agreed and adhered to wherever possible, which doesn't always stop the final invoices being much higher, but the yard will have to be able to justify the increase and the written record provides the basis for any subsequent negotiation. Additions, alterations or unforeseen problems should always be recorded and priced where possible as you go along. That used to be a pain in the old days of typewiters and secretaries but it is much easier now to jot down a quick email so there is no excuse for the yard (and the customer) not doing it.

It is also wise, if you can, to jot down the actual hours that are worked by each member of staff on your job, remembering of course that some prep work may go on in other workshops out of sight.

"Extras" may also have to be carried out in overtime so that the yard can stick to schedules.

But on the plus side you do tend to get excellent work from mostly very professional yards.

Balliol.

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Friesland boatyard recommendations please 25 Jan 2022 18:25 #127713

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Plan ahead is very good advice. We used to have a boatyard and it was always the "just" jobs that led to shock on behalf of the customer - the ones that went "While we're here will you just do this and just do that", which they somehow implicitly believed would be done for free.

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Friesland boatyard recommendations please 25 Jan 2022 15:30 #127712

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Andy,
We happened to be in Harlingen in the summer and Laurens came to RIA to assess our situation and what we wanted to have done and the level of finish we wanted. (“Do you want a yacht finish $$$ or a nice old barge finish $).
We started with a specific check list of have-to- does and want-to-does. For which we got a very preliminary estimate. Once we were out of the water there was a bit of scope creep on my part with “we’re in the shipyard lets do this!) Examples, refinish varnish on inside of wheelhouse and skylight’s instead of just outside, design build paint install dingy davits, and install new depth sounder in new location. No matter what, labor will probably be 90% and material 10% or less.
So, the more you know exactly what you want, the less surprises.

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Friesland boatyard recommendations please 25 Jan 2022 13:09 #127710

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Thanks Julian, I will take a look at them.

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Friesland boatyard recommendations please 25 Jan 2022 13:06 #127709

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Hi Eric, thanks for the input. SRF are coming up a lot and it was where Ebenhaezer was fitted out in 2006/2007. This will be the first time we will have independently taken her to a yard for work, the first being the out of water survey with the previous owner. What bothers me most is that people I've previously spoken to who have had work done on their boats at various yards, mostly seem to have gone in to it with very little understanding of the likely cost.
I understand your point about flexibility because of possible unknowns but did you start with a specification of the work to be undertaken and quote/estimate?
Any advice you have it very welcome.

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Friesland boatyard recommendations please 24 Jan 2022 11:43 #127687

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We just finished a 2 and a half month stint with RIA (30m x 5m) at SRF in Harlingen. We are very pleased with the quality of their work. The majority of the work consisted of full exterior keel to wheelhouse prep and paint/varnish. In addition, we had interior repairs and installation of custom designed and built storage cabinets, and had a number of maintenance items taken care of in the engine room. We started planning the work with SRF in early summer an set a window for October to December. RIA was converted by SRF in 2007 so we had confidence in workmanship an their familiarity with the ship. We were able to get a very nice Airbnb in Harlingen about 2km away so visiting daily to check on progress wasn’t problem. My best recommendation no matter where you go is to be flexible with time and money. In my experience, shipyard “time and estimates” are just generally just place holders.
Good luck
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Friesland boatyard recommendations please 22 Jan 2022 20:37 #127668

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This is the yard that has just finished working on our barge 30 meters by 6 meters and 148 tonnes. Very reasonable prices and easy to communicate with. Rene Geertman is the owner and very nice to work with.

SCHEEPSWERF GEERTMAN B.V.
Postadres : Postbus 24, 8064
ZG Zwartsluis Bezoekadres
: Het Bosch 12, 8064 PM Zwartsluis
Telefoon : 038-3867172
Rabobank : 32.14.91.572
BIC : RABONL2U
IBAN-nr : NL51 RABO 0321 4915 72
B.t.w.nr. : NL.0059.57.576B01
KvK Zwolle : 05034091
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Now, sold our house to live full time on a barge. A large boat and lots to do on it.

Friesland boatyard recommendations please 22 Jan 2022 14:28 #127667

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Hi Andy
I agree with what Chris had said.
You need to contact Lourens Smits - Technical Director as they could be fully booked for 2022. If they can’t fit you in I am sure they will refer you to a yard that will do a good job.
SRF fitted out our 28m luxe motor from a shell and did a fantastic job.
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Mark Dick
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Friesland boatyard recommendations please 22 Jan 2022 13:04 #127665

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Hello Andy. I'm sure SRF at Harlingen will do you a good deal, considering they converted Ebenhaezer in the first place. They are not the cheapest but you'll get a good paint job.

Andy Parker wrote: We intend to spend a good portion of this years cruising time in Friesland and we would like to get Ebenhaezer out of the water to have the antifoul done, some anodes replaced and quite possibly a new prop shaft bearing. Can anyone recommend yards in Friesland that we can contact please, bearing in mind that Ebenhaezer is 24.8m x 4.8m

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Friesland boatyard recommendations please 22 Jan 2022 12:13 #127664

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Try family-run Brandsma at Sneek. I've had work done and over-wintered there. Very good service but you'll have to check their weight limit for lifting. I've seen quite heavy tjalks out of the water for repair work.
www.brandsmajachten.nl

The bigger yard at Harlingen (SRF) certainly has lifting capacity and is often mentioned on this forum, though I have no first-hand experience.
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Friesland boatyard recommendations please 22 Jan 2022 11:53 #127663

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We intend to spend a good portion of this years cruising time in Friesland and we would like to get Ebenhaezer out of the water to have the antifoul done, some anodes replaced and quite possibly a new prop shaft bearing. Can anyone recommend yards in Friesland that we can contact please, bearing in mind that Ebenhaezer is 24.8m x 4.8m

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