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Amsterdam Vignette 27 Jan 2022 16:19 #127759

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As I suggested before, Amsterdam just doesn’t want us there! I believe I have read elsewhere that Amsterdam has a tourist problem, viz. too many of them, and as elsewhere (Venice?) they are only welcome if spending freely, e.g. on hotels. Self catering boaters may not be of sufficient economic value to be worth bothering with. I encountered a similar attitude in Alkmaar once: they didn’t want a 30 metre barge with six persons on board but would welcome 3 cruisers with 15+ on board.

I did wonder what would happen to staandemast users, but I am reminded that there is an alternative route for our sailing barge members via. Haarlem. blueheelerhr39.com/other-bits/the-netherlands-staande-mastroute/

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Amsterdam Vignette 26 Jan 2022 11:18 #127723

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I love the bureaucracy

I tried applying for a vignet, but you can not fill in a country unless it is in the seletion box
So I mailed the city.
"it is correct if you have an address outside of any of these countries, you can not buy a Vignet", with NO indication where to buy it then or how to buy it, or needed for a boat with flag outside these countries

I am waiting for a follow up reply :)

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Amsterdam Vignette 24 Jan 2022 08:53 #127685

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"When I first visited the city by land, I preferred to stay in Haarlem!"

Blinking long way from New York 🤣

Sorry, couldn't resist it.

But you are correct, the same can be said for quite a few cities.

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Amsterdam Vignette 23 Jan 2022 20:30 #127678

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Peter Cawson wrote: Should we ask ourselves "Do we really want to go though central Amsterdam?" We seem to be able to traverse without the need for the vignette and if the authorities make buying it so difficult, all the more reason for going somewhere more friendly!

There are numerous very nice places to stop nearby with excellent train or bus connections to Amsterdam. Weesp. Haarlen, Zaandam and Purmerend are all less than 20 minutes from Amsterdam Central.

Looking at it another way, Amsterdam is overcrowded, with minimal moorings and the authorities need to reduce the traffic to make it pleasanter for locals. For us, the through routes are very limited with good alternatives - and moorings, so why should the vignette be a great problem to us?
I would always prefer to visit Amsterdam from the moorings Peter mentions. When I first visited the city by land, I preferred to stay in Haarlem!

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Amsterdam Vignette 23 Jan 2022 19:29 #127677

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Should we ask ourselves "Do we really want to go though central Amsterdam?" We seem to be able to traverse without the need for the vignette and if the authorities make buying it so difficult, all the more reason for going somewhere more friendly!

There are numerous very nice places to stop nearby with excellent train or bus connections to Amsterdam. Weesp. Haarlen, Zaandam and Purmerend are all less than 20 minutes from Amsterdam Central.

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Amsterdam Vignette 23 Jan 2022 16:34 #127676

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plus you can not use a US or Australian address

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Amsterdam Vignette 20 Jan 2022 20:48 #127643

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Liam,
If the target bank details are sufficient (IBAN), you could (for a nominal extra charge) perhaps use Transferwise or some equivalent. If you try this - do please let us know for reuse by others. Good Luck.

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Amsterdam Vignette 20 Jan 2022 20:43 #127642

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Yep....payment options are only bank deposits as far as I can see....

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Amsterdam Vignette 20 Jan 2022 20:34 #127641

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Amsterdam Vignette 20 Jan 2022 15:06 #127638

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Any ideas on how to actually pay for this? It seems the only options are deposits from a select number of European banks (none of which I have an account with).....

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Amsterdam Vignette 18 Jan 2022 15:23 #127590

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I have just received a response to my enquiry from Gemeente Amsterdam, simply attaching a map of the area, including the waterways under their control, coloured purple. This is attached (I think!).

Basically the route from the Noordzee Kanaal (and from waterways from the north (Zandam, Purmerend etc)) through to the Oranjesluizen and the A-R Canal are excluded. The Haarlemmermeer Ringvaart forms part of the western boundary of their area but also appears excluded also from the vignet requirement. Therefore Peter C's required routes appear OK without a vignet.

I note incidentally (and from their web site) that vessels >10 metres are not permitted to moor in their waterways unless they have an exemption as a historic ship. Presumably transit only. Perhaps they just don't want the likes of us!

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Amsterdam Vignette 14 Jan 2022 10:25 #127515

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I raised this issue here at the outset. I too have never been able to find a map.

There is no doubt that the Haarlem route remains outside the affected area, and I suspect also the Haarlemmermeerringvaart. For me that is enough. Amsterdam is not the real Netherlands. I don’t feel the need to ever go there again.

I have just used the contact form to ask after a map but that is difficult since it only accepts a Dutch format phone number, so I have invented one and will wait to see if I get an answer!
, which I will post here if I get one.

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Amsterdam Vignette 13 Jan 2022 23:14 #127513

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Not being difficult but it's the other waterways described as "the Amsterdam inland waterway in all districts" that I'm seeking information on. If you know of a map or other comprehensive list, please let us know. Waterway names in NL are at best convoluted and often change along their length, so a simple map would be most helpful so we can see if we need a vignette for the routes we may be planning. Thanks.

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Amsterdam Vignette 13 Jan 2022 21:29 #127511

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Googling the two waterways shown you will get maps for each of them.

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Amsterdam Vignette 13 Jan 2022 21:08 #127510

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Pete Milne wrote:

Peter Cawson wrote: Has anyone seen a map that shows exactly the waterways covered by this vignette requirement?

See the link in Andy's post - amsterdam.nl/varen


I see no map, nor a description of which canals are included apart from (translated) -

A vignette is mandatory from 2022 for the Amsterdam inland waterway in all districts. So also on the following through sailing routes:

Kostverlorenvaart, part of the Standing Mast Route
Nieuwe Herengracht from the Amstel to the IJ. The IJ itself is excluded
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Not much help if you are not familiar with Amsterdam's districts! Do you know if the routes I mentioned include any waterway where a vignette is required? Thanks

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Amsterdam Vignette 13 Jan 2022 19:00 #127509

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Pete Milne wrote: See the link in Andy's post - amsterdam.nl/varen

Not that that's very clear! The Standing Mast route is certainly included in the vignette area but almost certainly not the Ringvaart.

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Amsterdam Vignette 13 Jan 2022 18:49 #127508

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Peter Cawson wrote: Has anyone seen a map that shows exactly the waterways covered by this vignette requirement?

See the link in Andy's post - amsterdam.nl/varen

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Amsterdam Vignette 13 Jan 2022 18:46 #127507

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Has anyone seen a map that shows exactly the waterways covered by this vignette requirement?

One seems to be able to transit Amsterdam without a vignette by for example, reaching the Binnen-IJ from the north (via Zaandam or Purmerend) and exiting either onto the A-R canal or to Muiden and onto the Vecht.

I wonder if it'll be possible to skirt south of Amsterdam for example, by travelling from say Haarlen, south to the Ringvaast and going clockwise to reach Aalsmeer.

Provided these routes remain vignette-free, I'd be happy as I have no desire to stop in central Amsterdam. It's so easy to reach by rail or bus and (from my own motoring experience), it's sadly the one city in Europe where you can almost expect your own means of transport to be broken into!

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Amsterdam Vignette 13 Jan 2022 18:07 #127502

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A reminder that the Amsterdam Vignette is now compulsory. Note this applies to the city canals and not the main harbour - the IJ.

From Vaarwijzer Nieuwsbrief

Amsterdam transit vignette mandatory
After a few postponements, the transit vignette in Amsterdam is a fact. Every boat that sails through Amsterdam waters must from now on be provided with a vignette. Thanks to a chip in the vignette, the boat managers can see where and when it is busy on the water. If necessary, the municipality can take measures to ensure smooth and safe passage. A vignette is mandatory for all pleasure craft with a petrol, diesel, electric or hybrid engine when they sail through Amsterdam. There will be several vignettes.

Every boat that also moors in public water must have an Inland Port Dues vignette (BHG vignette). This allows you to sail and moor. The type of vignette and the cost depend on the size of your boat and the propulsion. This vignette is valid for 1 calendar year.

Do you want to sail through Amsterdam and do you not have a BHG vignette? Then a Transit vignette is required. This costs € 40 and is valid for 3 calendar years. You get a free '24 hours mooring' with this: to be activated on a day of your choice.

A vignette is required on the frequently used through routes and therefore also the part of the Standing Mast Route through Amsterdam. Only the IJ is excluded.

The vignettes are for sale via Amsterdam.nl/varen or the Vaarwater app.

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It is very regrettable that the municipality of Amsterdam has opted for the introduction of this vignette against all advice. The standing mast route through Amsterdam was not free and it is logical that you have to pay something for the bridge operators who operate the bridges and locks to guide you safely through Amsterdam in the middle of the night. Mooring for a while and disembarking to pay was actually part of the charm of the nighttime passage. Unfortunately, the municipality is now opting for a remote online option that is also considerably more expensive. It is of course nice that a vignette is valid for 3 years, but if you only have to pass through Amsterdam once in those three years, it is relatively expensive. Or does the municipality expect that the calculating skipper will now pass by more often? But you can only lie down once in those three years and spend money in the city, so the local economy will not benefit from it.

The vignette also has a large big-brother content. The vignette contains a chip that is used to follow you within the municipal boundaries. The data that the municipality collects in this way can of course be valuable for policy makers. The same policy makers who are now introducing this vignette against all advice. And it seems above all that water sports enthusiasts now actually pay for collecting data about their own sailing behaviour.

Fortunately, as far as the standing mast route is concerned, there is an alternative route through Haarlem. It is also no longer free and the experiences we hear are very variable.
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