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Investigating barge original name 23 Apr 2020 13:20 #115502

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Many thanks to Jim, Pete and Ian for your replies, it's much appreciated, and sorry for my delay in writing back: I'd been hoping to spend some time on the barge history right away, but then got rapidly sidetracked by issues to do with Covid19. I'll certainly follow up on the suggestions and look at all the articles you've mentioned as soon as things settle down a bit. I'm sure that Maatje isn't her original name (it had been Aurora and quite probably different before that, she's not the original size (looks like she had a chunk cut out of the middle) and I don't have the BrandMerk ; but I'll look at the Blue Flag articles you've suggested before asking any more and wasting peopel's time on stuff that's probably already been explained! I'll write more after that! Best wishes to all and hope you're all well and safe, John
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Investigating barge original name 10 Apr 2020 11:22 #115213

I put the number from the hull into google with the make of boat, and original name. With that we were able to find it on a register in Holland. We then had contact with the person looking after the site, it was extremely interesting.

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Investigating barge original name 09 Apr 2020 16:33 #115204

Hi John,

What you need is LSD . Not what you might expect, but a searchable database of old Dutch ships. It will help to use Chrome to translate the site unless your Dutch is good. LSD will let you search the database, compiled from the old Kadaster records, by many factors. 1910 and Maatje gets a result like this, though you might need to more searching by length, etc If there's a number of any sort on the boat as there should be, from its measurement for the meetbrief, that will probably hive you a unique result. Then you may be able to jump to the Kadaster records.

Good luck!

Pete
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Investigating barge original name 09 Apr 2020 14:40 #115202

Oh, and there are a number of articles in the Blue Flag - one written by George. I haven't time to find them all right now (it's bedtime here), perhaps others can help but there was an exhaustive, two issue article last year on researching a barge's history. Also, Issue 121 contains some information about the LVBHB database.

Check out the back issues of the Blue Flag - https://barges.org/publications/blue-flag/bf-back-copies

Ian

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Investigating barge original name 09 Apr 2020 14:31 #115201

Hi John,
Welcome to the forum. Pleased to see that Maatje is in our barge register.

Yes this has been discussed often in the forum, but searching is tricky so you may be forgiven for not finding a thread. One reasonably comprehensive one that is fairly recent is https://barges.org/discussion-forum/barges/23351-finding-her-history .

There are so many things you can do to flesh out history - in our case this even came down to sending letters to names drawn from the Dutch phone book hoping to strike the original family who owned Catharina Elisabeth - with success I might add!

If you want to do it yourself, you will find it much easier if you have the Brandmerk of Maatje, this can then be used to interrogate the (Dutch language so use Chrome if you don't understand Dutch) LVBHB database that allows you to find the measurement certificates and some of the historical data. The site is https://s2ho.nl/LSD/top/common/ZoekInLiggers_01.php .

You’ll also read in the thread that contacting the Kadaster office will be very useful. We emailed them, asked for a search which cost us about 18 euros and were presented with the full list of all previous owners, boat names, transfer dates. We then paid another few euros for a copy of the original Kadaster registration.

Visiting the Maritime museum at Rotterdam is also supposed to be worthwhile - although we haven’t had that opportunity yet.

The other bit of good advice in the thread mentioned above, is to contact DBA member George Snijder who has a personal mission to ensure that the history of Dutch Barges in the hands of DBA members is as complete as possible. His advice and resources are second to none.

Last, for our experience check out this blog post and note the links to more up to date information at the start.

Good Luck
Ian

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Investigating barge original name 09 Apr 2020 13:18 #115199

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Hi everyone,

Hope that you' re all well in these difficult times.

I've been meaning to write this post for quite some time, and finally have some time on my hands.

I'm looking to investigate about the history and original name of my Dutch barge, and was wondering if other members have been through this process and have any advice on the best way to go about it. I've had a quick search of the forum and can't find any posts on the issue (though I may have missed them, if there are, I'd be grateful if you could point me towards them).

The barge is called Maatje, she was bought in Diemen near Amsterdam and according to the bill of sale she is a ~1910 Steilsteven Casco.

Any help or words of wisdom gratefully received.

With best wishes,
John Hampson

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