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New Wheelhouse Opening Windows 22 Apr 2020 12:08 #115456

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Hi Pete,

Clumsy fingers! Actually, to counter the conclusion you have come to, I am doing all the shopping myself at the moment since I have to go out occasionally anyway to do essential work, but the boss keeps nagging me to only go shopping once a week! I have got quite good at using a (home made) mask though.

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New Wheelhouse Opening Windows 22 Apr 2020 11:59 #115454

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Jan Pieterse wrote: One comment I have to make......the windows are the same width as the metal, thus allowing rain water to vanish in the gap under the window frame. In my barge that led to rust, which led to water entering the pilothouse front , which led to drips going down, which ended up with standing water in the bilge.

It all started with stating water in the bilge....first we thought it was condensation,
then we suspected the water inlet for the head. made a new one and closed that one off, still leaking ,
then we suspected windows, mounted car drip rails, still leaking ,
then we just installed a pump and accepted the mysterious leak,
then we remodeled the from of the pilot house, to store hidden TV and found water...
then we finally discovered where the water cam from....the gap between the windows and the metal
installed a wooden drip rail and it was all dry


Jan, I suspect that Mike does not have that problem. The design I adopted (not originated!) when building the first UK replica luxe motor, and since used by many UK builders, was to incorporate a welded steel ca. 60 x 60 steel angle around the wheelhouse base, toe up, into which sit the wheelhouse panels, with a separation gap formed by the thickness of the closed butt hinges so that water doesn't linger, neither does it penetrate through because of the effectively 60mm steel upstand immediately inside the panels. I suspect (but cannot see for certain from the photos) that that is what Mike has. Unfortunately I did not think of this earlier when we first converted Actief and I used double rebated hardwood waist rails between the flat top of the steelwork and the wheel house panels, which do the same job until they rot, and then they leak. I replaced all the waist rails after 20 years and another section now needs doing, and was on the agenda for about now but it will have to wait!

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New Wheelhouse Opening Windows 22 Apr 2020 11:47 #115453

Balliol Fowden wrote: shopping nags


Careful Balliol, careful!

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New Wheelhouse Opening Windows 22 Apr 2020 11:41 #115451

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Colin Stone wrote: Woodgrain UPVC??? Maintenance free.


Yes, nice idea but not sure about the durability. We have rosewood finished UPVC sash windows in our place in Cornwall which have been in place some 5/6 years now and are OK, so we have recently had a new conservatory fitted in the same material, and I took a bit more notice of that. The finish is in fact a very thin foil bonded to the standard white UPVC. Looks great, just like wood until you tap it, but it is very easily damaged as the fitters proved! I guess the foil will survive OK on windows where they are in a reveal and not subject to everyday abrasion but I have concerns about the conservatory in hindsight, with exposed corners, edges around doorways etc. that people will walk round, carry shopping nags past etc. Time will tell but on a barge wheelhouse, with the odd bit of abrasion from ropes etc. and close quarters walking I would be a bit pessimistic.

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New Wheelhouse Opening Windows 22 Apr 2020 11:32 #115449

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Thanks Peter

Yes, have seen these but not explored further. Will do now!

Cheers

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New Wheelhouse Opening Windows 22 Apr 2020 11:30 #115448

Mike , our wheelhouse is a similar design, although your inside finish is nicer.
Your quest seems difficult however how about going the traditional design of a fixed lower glass up to about half way and an overlapping upper with a chevron cut edge overlapping the lower by about 20cm. If the upper glass is proud of the frame on the inside it will be close to the lower glass to reduce air leaks. The old hands will be able to explain how they operated.
This will provide an upward opening pane of glass and if mounted on the main window frame to maintain integrity and the whole lot can be removed as one unit when required.

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New Wheelhouse Opening Windows 21 Apr 2020 21:30 #115443

One comment I have to make......the windows are the same width as the metal, thus allowing rain water to vanish in the gap under the window frame. In my barge that led to rust, which led to water entering the pilothouse front , which led to drips going down, which ended up with standing water in the bilge.

It all started with stating water in the bilge....first we thought it was condensation,
then we suspected the water inlet for the head. made a new one and closed that one off, still leaking ,
then we suspected windows, mounted car drip rails, still leaking ,
then we just installed a pump and accepted the mysterious leak,
then we remodeled the from of the pilot house, to store hidden TV and found water...
then we finally discovered where the water cam from....the gap between the windows and the metal
installed a wooden drip rail and it was all dry

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New Wheelhouse Opening Windows 21 Apr 2020 20:43 #115439

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Thanks Colin. Interesting thought....will ponder!

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New Wheelhouse Opening Windows 21 Apr 2020 20:19 #115438

Woodgrain UPVC??? Maintenance free.

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New Wheelhouse Opening Windows 21 Apr 2020 18:58 #115434

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New Wheelhouse Opening Windows 21 Apr 2020 13:19 #115424

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Hi Bailliol

Thanks very much for replying!

Am attaching pictures. Can go into more detail on e-mail or via PM, of course.

Grateful for your observations. I am expecting to remake both front and rear windows and maybe the structural side bars that support them.

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New Wheelhouse Opening Windows 20 Apr 2020 18:21 #115382

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Any photos of the structure you want to modify, including close-ups to show how the glazing beads are presently arranged?

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New Wheelhouse Opening Windows 20 Apr 2020 16:35 #115372

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Hello all
I am engaged in an athletic debate over how one can rebuild a wheelhouse with opening windows that don't leak. I'd like the hive mind to tell me what they've done!
The three window rear panel drops using hinges at the bottom. We will probably have a stay or chain fixing to allow for the whole window to open to 35 or 45 degrees. The front window is currently solid but we want some opening windows out of the three sections.

Criteria are as follows:
- that the front windows have a sealed solid central window and the outer two are hinged at the top from, presumably, a top bar. What type of stay do you use and how is the window sealed to prevent rain leakage?
- where does the top bar to the front window achieve stability given that in some circumstances you want to drop the whole wheelhouse? Doe it lock to the side panels containing the doors?

Anyone got some drawings or ideas they might share please?!?

Many thanks

Mike Gibbons
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