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Regulations in Belgium 30 Jan 2020 20:19 #113362

Balliol Fowden wrote: The ENI has no reflection on the registration of the boat, just the country of the surveyor who arranged to issue the certificate, so many UK and Belgian barges have a Dutch ENI.

With respect I am not sure about that one. When we first got our TRIWV in Belgium for our UK registered ship we could not be issued with a Belgian ENI and, with others, had to petition the RYA to issue UK 140 numbers. Our recent renewal was done by a Dutch firm but the UK 140 ENI remains in place.

I am quite certain! The ENI can be issued by any country regardless of registration. Early in the process some countries, like Belgium in Balliol's case, did not recognise this, which led to the UK 140 series. Later, Dutch TRIWV surveyors found the Dutch government more open on this and would apply to NL for a number for a boat they were surveying that didn't already have oone, regardless of the registry of the barge they were certificating - so I personally know many Belgians with Dutch prefix ENIs. The prefix just denotes the issuing authority.

The number is permanent, as David Warren says, even when the registry changes. It is a myth that the number has to 'carved into the stern'. This was the case for a Dutch Kadaster registration number, like my 450 B ‘sHage 1929 but not for an ENI.

My surveyor was able to look at the 'carved Kadaster number and tell me my ENI before he applied for it - 03010450. UK owners like Andy (and Balliol perhaps) were pioneers in the new procedure and sadly did not discover this in time.

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Regulations in Belgium 30 Jan 2020 14:44 #113352

The only reference I can find ES-TRIN to marking the ENI is in the over-arching Directive

'The owner, or his representative, shall also be responsible for affixing to the craft the ENI which is entered in the Union inland navigation certificate.' No mention of size or of carving it anywhere.

The rules also say that a ship can only have one ENI - I paid RYA for a 140 series number BUT NL had allocated numbers to all craft that had a meetbrief and the surveyors a government database - so Neeltje has an 020 series number as well on her NL issued European Certificate which matches her (now expired) Meetbrief . I think life is too short too worry! (Just annoyed that I spent money on the 140 ENI!)

Peter Smith gets the prize for succinct e-mails - 9 letters - but I agree with Pete Milne that the ISO numbers are a red herring in this context!

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Regulations in Belgium 30 Jan 2020 14:23 #113350

We also had a 140 number issued by the rya. This number is on both the certificates the barge had an I got was told by the surveyor (Dutch) that this number stayed with the boat even though it has now been moved by the new owner to the French registry. The number should be carved into the boat at the stern.

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Regulations in Belgium 30 Jan 2020 14:17 #113349

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Pete Milne wrote:

Peter Smith wrote: ISO says GB.


15 or 20cm letters would be impractical or look ridiculous on many boats. ES-TRIN (aimed at 80m+ commercials) requires 20cm, which any ES-TRIN surveyor would agree to be absurd on a 21m barge.

Agree. There have been requirements on letter sizing for many years, for ES-TRIN etc. (and UK registration, and I think EA Thames) which we have never fully been able to conform to and and have never been picked up for. The received wisdom is "as large as practicable."

The ENI has no reflection on the registration of the boat, just the country of the surveyor who arranged to issue the certificate, so many UK and Belgian barges have a Dutch ENI.

With respect I am not sure about that one. When we first got our TRIWV in Belgium for our UK registered ship we could not be issued with a Belgian ENI and, with others, had to petition the RYA to issue UK 140 numbers. Our recent renewal was done by a Dutch firm but the UK 140 ENI remains in place.

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Regulations in Belgium 30 Jan 2020 11:06 #113340

I have separated this topic from the Channel Crossing topic as it is of wider interest.

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Regulations in Belgium 30 Jan 2020 10:52 #113338

Peter Smith wrote: ISO says GB.

Inland shipping doesn't use the ISO codes as the shipping pre-dates ISO. For instance the Netherlands is 'N', France 'F' and Belgium 'B'. Britain has no letter as it's not part of the international inland waterways.

Hence, the Belgian requirements simply cannot be applied to all visiting boats. My Dutch (<20m) barge has no registration number, as it registration not required in Holland - so I cannot display a number of any size!

15 or 20cm letters would be impractical or look ridiculous on many boats. ES-TRIN (aimed at 80m+ commercials) requires 20cm, which any ES-TRIN surveyor would agree to be absurd on a 21m barge.

The ENI has no reflection on the registration of the boat, just the country of the surveyor who arranged to issue the certificate, so many UK and Belgian barges have a Dutch ENI.

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Regulations in Belgium 30 Jan 2020 00:10 #113328

ISO says GB.

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Regulations in Belgium 29 Jan 2020 22:47 #113325

All UK ES-TRIN numbers begin with 140

The country code refers to the national registration number - which UK ships don't have. I suggest you stick with the SSR prefix to your number and the SSR designated size of type. UK is not mentioned in the police regulations!

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Regulations in Belgium 29 Jan 2020 22:10 #113322

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I comply with all of that already except the country code. What is the country code for a UK boat?

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Regulations in Belgium 29 Jan 2020 20:41 #113321

> Sea signage > 20 metres - home port has to be on stern and letters at least 20 cms high

Does this regulation apply to visiting (non-BE registered) vessels travelling in Flanders, or just Belgian vessels?

I ask because UK-registered vessels on the SSR don't require a "home port". I certainly don't have one. What are these vessels supposed to show - or are we banned from Flanders? There's no problem anywhere else in NL, FR, DE or BE (Wallonia) as my "no home port" status has never been queried!

I guess we should interpret the rules as "home port (if applicable) has to be on stern and letters at least 20 cms high

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Regulations in Belgium 29 Jan 2020 19:48 #113318

Hi,

Being Belgian I wanted to flag up that this fine country (well, the Flemish part) has new regulations which are to be followed by Belgian and non-Belgian vessels alike:

- waterways vignette for Flanders on sale (and obligatory at all times in water, so no longer just for cruising) as of 1 February on www.visuris.be . No longer with sticker so you can order online, no postage etc

- new regulations as of 1 January 2020 state mostly things about signage:

Inland waterways signage regs < 20 metres:
- name of ship has to be on both sides of vessel + on stern and letters at least 20 cms high
- home port has to be on both sides or once on stern and letters at least 15 cms high
- country code has to be on both sides or once on stern and letters at least 15 cms high

Sea signage > 20 metres
- name of ship has to be on stern and letters at least 20 cms high
- registration number has to be on both sides of vessel either in the middle or at the bow and letters at least 20 cms high
- home port has to be on stern and letters at least 20 cms high

- Others are about safety equipment but there is no new final list yet, just go with regular life vests, fire extinguishers etc

All of this will be explained extensively in the upcoming Blue Flag.

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Liza
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Regulations in Belgium 28 Jan 2020 23:31 #113299

Dave, the best DBA knows is to be found in the Knowledgebase page Cruising in Belgium

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Regulations in Belgium 28 Jan 2020 22:15 #113294

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You mention that "recent police checks have been on safety, qualifications and licences". I think that I'm fairly prepared with the usual paperwork for sailing to France but is there anything different that the Belgium Police may require? What are they looking for specifically on safety?

I've spent all day researching this coming across many a defunct web pages and links that don't work. Any info you can give me would be gratefully accepted.

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