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Rain needed in Burgundy 23 Apr 2020 10:43 #115496

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I am unclear how much of this applies to canals but maintained low water levels in the canals can harm the banks seriously if they dry out too much, especially of course in hot weather.

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Rain needed in Burgundy 23 Apr 2020 09:30 #115493

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For information and conversation.

I posted in Continental Waterways last evening.

The most up to date VNF water situation is included there.

I confirm another blue cloudless sky today, the Saone is hardly moving. No rain on the horizon. Things are very different to what the reservoir situation indicates.

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Rain needed in Burgundy 22 Apr 2020 12:19 #115457

I keep a close check on the Vigicrues site www.vigicrues.gouv.fr/niv2-bassin.php?CdEntVigiCru=18 to be sure our little hovel is not under water, and only once and very briefly has it moved into the yellow (some local possibility of flood) this year. Normally the snow melt gives concern of water from the Doubs and Seille into the Saône, but not this year.

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Rain needed in Burgundy 22 Apr 2020 12:02 #115455

The fishing fraternity appeal highlighted by Lynn may explain why the reservoirs are currently so well stocked. Perhaps the rivers and canals that are normally maintained to a navigable level have been neglected and levels have reduced to the extent that concerns are being expressed for the welfare of the fish. Once the waterways are re-opened, the reservoirs may be hard pressed to even fill, let alone maintain through the summer, the rivers and canals they serve.

Perhaps not as rosy as the VNF reservoir table suggests!

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Rain needed in Burgundy 22 Apr 2020 11:33 #115450

Sorry, DBA not DNA

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Rain needed in Burgundy 22 Apr 2020 11:09 #115447

Like Lynn, I'm not on Facebook, nor am I an angler, but thanks to Lynn for highlighting another vital aspect of waterways management. While there are sometimes minor tensions between boaters and anglers, e.g. when we pass them too fast and/or too close, or when their lines snag our props (or our washing!) or they block 'our' mooring facilities, but the main thing is that, as the appeal emphasizes, we remain courteous at all times and support each other, as Lynn has done by posting this appeal.
The only thing the appeal does not make clear is just what action the angling community is seeking, other than sharing the appeal on Facebook, e.g. with photos of flood endangered places. Perhaps a Facebooker could ask them politely how we DNA members can best provide support (perhaps coupled with a polite plea, once we can all use the waterways again, to help boaters seeking a lunchtime or overnight mooring when anglers are spread out in rows along the quay)?

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Rain needed in Burgundy 22 Apr 2020 10:26 #115446

Not sure of its origins as I don't use Facebook but this discussion seems to be representing the concerns of fishing interests in Yonne

www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=110449257306174&id=109867984030968

This page was created to alert the public authorities!

URGENT, for 89 or any other affected department!!!
INFO
Currently, the Yonne River and the channels of 89 are reaching a critical and disturbing threshold!
From the beginning of the lockdown, Yonne is in progress on more than 100 KM between Mailly la City to Sens, that is to say that the dams are wide open...
This action has been decided by the authorities to avoid possible flooding in the event of flooding in Yonne and the rest of France.
The VNF who is responsible for managing all channels and rivers is also [furloughed], so it cannot intervene in Yonne except from the city of Sens, where commercial shipping is carried out, so it is possible!
Major actors like L ' UPA, the federation fishing of 89, some City and others can't get heard with the prefecture who could act quickly to help restore the situation.

The survival of fauna and flora and time is running out!
The heat is increasing early, some fish will not be able to breed or even survive, it's all aquatic life that is in danger!
Police checks against poaching are taking place and meanwhile, cormorants are taking fish trapped in the remaining water holes on some plots.
We are going to the front of an ecological disaster and it is a whole water / land food chain that is in danger. We ask for the help of all in accordance with the rules of lockdown please

For us / help you it's very simple:
If you live near (less than 1 km) of a river or canal and when you are certified, you see a worrying or critical level of water, take a PHOTOS and post it on this page only with the name of the relevant municipality. You can then tag it or tag your friends, any communication is important.
We / you need maximum visibility for this information to be shared and the necessary is done in an emergency!!!

We invite you to stay polite and courteous.
We are counting on you and will keep you updated on the evolution, in the meantime, respect the barriers and restrictions and above all take care of yourself.

" It is the small rivers that make the big rivers."
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Rain needed in Burgundy 21 Apr 2020 21:42 #115444

Well the reservoirs have somehow filled up considerably since January according to VNF, in particular the one that serves the Burgundy canals - reserves have gone from 40% to 91% since January

January Reservoir Levels - www.vnf.fr/vnf/app/uploads/2019/04/Carte_VNF_Etat_des_r%C3%A9serves_eau_01_20.pdf

April Reservoir Levels - www.vnf.fr/vnf/app/uploads/2019/04/Carte_VNF_Etat_des_r%C3%A9serves_eau_04_20.pdf

How long this will last once the waterways are reopened, who knows? However the situation appears far from disastrous.

Peter
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Rain needed in Burgundy 21 Apr 2020 14:10 #115429

Paul Hayes wrote: Here's a photo of the ground 20m from where I sit.


Hi Paul

Looks much like my lawn - where I, perforce, sit. :(

Pete Clark

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Rain needed in Burgundy 21 Apr 2020 13:19 #115425

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Tam Murrell wrote: The term "April Showers" seems to have become part of history :unsure:

Tam


True, looking like a dry April.
The Saone is hardly flowing.

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Rain needed in Burgundy 21 Apr 2020 13:18 #115423

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Max & Vicki Cooper wrote: Paul. If I were much younger and a quick bowler I'd love to see that crack in the ground If we were bowling the last innings!


Sounds painful for the bloke on the receiving end 🤭

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Rain needed in Burgundy 21 Apr 2020 10:47 #115409

Paul. If I were much younger and a quick bowler I'd love to see that crack in the ground If we were bowling the last innings!

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Rain needed in Burgundy 21 Apr 2020 10:29 #115407

The term "April Showers" seems to have become part of history :unsure:

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Rain needed in Burgundy 21 Apr 2020 09:43 #115405

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Hello all

I'm not trying to be the voice of doom.

The rain position so far in this year is bad,

January, was poor
February was warm and quite dry
March, was windy with a little rain

1st 3 weeks of April, not a drop.
10 day forecast, not a lot of any

The reservoirs are not too bad, but that is with no traffic.

So when boating starts, conservation of water will be a big thing..

Here's a photo of the ground 20m from where I sit.

Paul Hayes
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