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TOPIC: Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse

Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 15 Jun 2020 07:54 #116634

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Peter Cawson wrote: Another alternative for an even swifter get-away if needed is the marina at Kehl on the German side of the Rhine. A bit "clubby" but a good bar and restaurant and a few minutes walk to a tram stop for Syrasbourg.


More homework for Michael: your dates are so far unknown but to my knowledge the franco-german border doesn't open till 15th June so Kehl might still be a no-no. Best to check first.

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Just a footnote, in case Michael's still interested: the tram from Kehl to Strasbourg re-opens today. Masks to be worn, also on the platforms at the Strasbourg end.

www.hitradio-ohr.de/artikel/tram-zwischen-kehl-und-strassburg-kehrt-zum-normalbetrieb-zurueck

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 03 Jun 2020 12:49 #116389

The electric at Wacken is hidden! Under the bridge at the far end amongst the bottles and fag ends (probably left there by the MEP's slipping out for a fag) is a cabinet with an electric point in it. There is every chance that it should never have been there in the first place and is no longer there but we managed to get electric out of it a couple of years ago.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 03 Jun 2020 07:43 #116382

Hmm … I see that link didn't work, but the info's in the Guide.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 03 Jun 2020 07:41 #116381

I think we're getting slightly off topic, as far as Michael is concerned anyway, but for what it's worth the Souffelweyersheim mooring is described in the Waterways Guide, last updated July 2019:

barges.org/knowledgebase/waterwaysguide-k/waterwaysguide-search#

My own last Log entry for Wed. 03. July 2019 Souffelweyersheim notes:

Outer pontoon. NB: No shade, no water, no electricity. Fee €12 (with or without).

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 03 Jun 2020 02:07 #116380

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Editions du Breil have finally published a Guide Fluviale for this section of the Rhine (Guide 22: Rhin).

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 02 Jun 2020 18:41 #116361

Richard Cooper wrote: I've tied there a few times, gets busy in summer but you can tie below the lock, no facilities but it is shady and seems deep. There is also a small free mooring with electric (well there was a couple of years ago) by the bridge by the EU parliament building on the outskirts of Strasbourg.


The free mooring is at Wacken (there are two wooden platforms either side of a road bridge). See photo below.

Stay limited to 48 hours and no electricity (at least, that I can recall).

As with the photo of Souffelweyersheim below, it's from this guide .

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 02 Jun 2020 18:24 #116359

I've tied there a few times, gets busy in summer but you can tie below the lock, no facilities but it is shady and seems deep. There is also a small free mooring with electric (well there was a couple of years ago) by the bridge by the EU parliament building on the outskirts of Strasbourg.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 02 Jun 2020 16:02 #116357

Hi Paul

We've moored Nooit Gedacht (21m) there comfortably 3 or 4 times, both against the inner quay (more shade, more pleasant) and on the inside of the outer pontoon (no shade, a little 'bare'). If I remember rightly thete's no electricity or water on the pontoon but I'll check my logs. Again I'm guessing but I'd say uo to 30m ok, if you can get in. There's a sloping ramp at the eastern end of the pontoon so best go in there forwards with a barge, never stern first, to protect your valuables.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 02 Jun 2020 15:54 #116356

Peter Cawson wrote: Pretty isn't it. The mooring posts on the outside of the pontoon are only for boats waiting for the lock, but about 8 boats can moor up inside. Just out of view to the left is the bus stop and restaurant



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Any good for 20m or bigger?

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 31 May 2020 22:21 #116349

Michael Houlton wrote: We are currently in the Moselle not far from Luxembourg, and will probably get going at the end of next week.


Good news. Hope it all works out, have a good trip, give us a toot on the way past Saverne, and do let us all know how you get on going up from Strasbourg to the Rhône au Rhin.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 29 May 2020 21:23 #116337

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Thank you all for your advice. We are currently in the Moselle not far from Luxembourg, and will probably get going at the end of next week.
We stayed in Souffleweyersheim last year, it is very nice and as you say considerable cheaper than Strasbourg PdP. The bus into town is frequent and cheap. What a great picture , and it is empty as well!
Looking forward to getting going again, it has been strange being on the boat for 11 weeks and not moving at all.
Thank you.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 29 May 2020 19:44 #116334

Pretty isn't it. The mooring posts on the outside of the pontoon are only for boats waiting for the lock, but about 8 boats can moor up inside. Just out of view to the left is the bus stop and restaurant

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 29 May 2020 17:23 #116331

You might find the photo below useful to help decide on Souffelweyersheim, Michael.

It's from this guide.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 29 May 2020 16:00 #116328

Peter Cawson wrote: Another alternative for an even swifter get-away if needed is the marina at Kehl on the German side of the Rhine. A bit "clubby" but a good bar and restaurant and a few minutes walk to a tram stop for Syrasbourg.


More homework for Michael: your dates are so far unknown but to my knowledge the franco-german border doesn't open till 15th June so Kehl might still be a no-no. Best to check first.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 29 May 2020 15:49 #116327

> Also agree re Souffelsweyerheim - not only a pleasant stop but considerably cheaper (21m €12) than Koejacs, though I got a special rate as I was in for repairs.

> I suggested Koejac on the assumption that Michael would want to be off at crack of sparrow's ..... to make good progress on a long day.

We're doing all Michaels's homework - I hope he doesn't get into trouble!

Another alternative for an even swifter get-away if needed is the marina at Kehl on the German side of the Rhine. A bit "clubby" but a good bar and restaurant and a few minutes walk to a tram stop for Strasbourg.

A tip regarding trams. You don't pay on board, but buy tickets at tram stop machines or the Tourist office. Singles, returns, day, or day for 2 or 3 persons. Best value is the 2 or 3 person day ticket.

Peter

Port de Plaisance was €21 for 14 m vessel last year plus €3 for power plus €3 for water.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 29 May 2020 15:36 #116325

PS there is also a good boat mechanic, Vincent, in case of need.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 29 May 2020 15:35 #116324

As Peter says, the Port de Plaisance (Koejac) is convenient for the city centre. My log from my previous visit records
"Tram No. C
Gare Centrale - Neuhof Rudolphe Neuss
Turn left out of port, ca. 7 mins walk to tram stop Winston Churchill opposite tall bldg. Batigere
Every 5-10 mins. dep. on time of day."

Also agree re Souffelsweyerheim - not only a pleasant stop but considerably cheaper (21m €12) than Koejacs, though I got a special rate as I was in for repairs.

I suggested Koejac on the assumption that Michael would want to be off at crack of sparrow's ..... to make good progress on a long day.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 29 May 2020 14:48 #116323

> Or if you telephone Guy in advance he can probably also give you some info for your planned trip up the Rhine.

Not sure who it was at Strasbourg Port de Plaisance (previously Koejac), but he was very helpful in suggesting my first 2 stopping places after leaving Strasbourg for my downstream trip back to Netherlands. There are no facilities there although there is a small chandlery. It's about 8 minutes to a tram stop for the city.

I could suggest an alternative to stopping to the Port de Plaisance - just by Ecluse 50 Souffelweyersheim (last but one lock on Marne au Rhine before arriving at Strasbourg) there's a halte nautique with space for 8 or so boats. It's djacent to a bus stop (25 mins to S'bourg) and a good restaurant. The lovely village of Souffel is 10 minutes walk away - supermarket, bars and eating places and lots of pretty brightly painted timber-framed houses - worth a stop - I much prefer this to the Port de Plaisance.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 29 May 2020 12:26 #116314

PS if you intend to overnight in Strasbourg I suggest you contact the marina, Guy Jakob, in good time:

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33 (0)3 88 61 26 78

Or if you telephone Guy in advance he can probably also give you some info for your planned trip up the Rhine.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 29 May 2020 12:11 #116313

Peter Cawson wrote: I suggest you get going as soon as you can and make good progress, at least until you reach the summit level at Arzviller or continue to Saverne. If you can’t visit Nancy on the way, continuing on to Saverne and take the train to visit this most beautiful of cities.


Hello Michael

"We are presently on the Moselle and hoping to head south, when the waterways reopen."

I contacted the capitainerie this morning for you, the capitaine adjoint, Guillaume, tells me:

"Bonjour , a priori selon vnf la circulation Saverne-nancy serai possible a partir de Demain et pour saverne-strasbourg a partir de la semaine prochaine."

i.e. Nancy - Saverne from tomorrow, Saturday 30th May and Saverne - Strasbourg "from next week", presumably Monday 2nd June, but keep checking VNF's avis à la battellerie.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 28 May 2020 14:06 #116292

Michael Houlton wrote: We are presently on the Moselle and hoping to head south, when the waterways reopen. The Vosges is currently closed due to lack of water, and will probably stay that way all year as we have had very little in the way of rain for months. We haven't done the Rhone au Rhine so thought that would a good way to go, but the Rhine posses a dilemma. Can we / can't we? So your experiences and advice are very helpful.
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Michael. Yes you can – don’t doubt it!

Last year I started from my winter berth near Masstricht and travelled the Maas / Meuse to Verdun, Nancy and Saverne, from where my co-owner took over. Knowing the serious water shortage problems in this part of France in earlier years, I really wanted to get this section done before these were likely to block my route. It worked well and that left us free to travel to the Rhine au Rhin without fear of closures.

If there’s talk of water shortages, I suggest you get going as soon as you can and make good progress, at least until you reach the summit level at Arzviller or continue to Saverne. If you can’t visit Nancy on the way, continuing on to Saverne and take the train to visit this most beautiful of cities.

The RR itself is occasionally temporarily closed, but as far as I know for flood situations (normally early in the year) rather than shortage of water, although it was pretty low last summer. With its 3 owners, Levana travelled from Niffer to Dole, then back to Isle-sur-le-Doubs, return to Dole and then to Niffer before its return to Netherlands by way of the Rhine.

We all thoroughly recommend the Doubs / Rhone au Rhin. Marina-type stopping places are generally only at the larger towns, so one sometimes has to overnight at lock waiting pontoons. The VNF guys accept this (despite the No Mooring notices) as there's very little traffic and "waiting" for locks is generally never needed. You’ll also find several delightful stopping places near weirs, etc. The charts / pilot books will tell you this, but it's a waterway where you MUST pay attention to the channel indicator boards or chart marks to ensure you stay in the deep parts of the river. Easy enough, but boats do regularly run aground with costly consequences if they stray into the middle of this wide river! Enjoy your trip.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 28 May 2020 10:55 #116283

You might find the following guide useful, Michael: Canal guide .

It has details and photographs of all the moorings suitable for your boat.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 28 May 2020 08:54 #116278

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Thank you both for your messages.
We are presently on the Moselle and hoping to head south, when the waterways reopen. The Vosges is currently closed due to lack of water, and will probably stay that way all year as we have had very little in the way of rain for months. We haven't done the Rhone au Rhine so thought that would a good way to go, but the Rhine posses a dilemma. Can we / can't we? So your experiences and advice are very helpful.
Not sure when the waterways will reopen, and we are in the red zone. It maybe next week, or it may not be for another month or more.
Hope you manage to get on the water this year.
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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 27 May 2020 23:43 #116274

> we just did it from Mulhouse to Colmar than Colmar to the Branche Nord.

That sounds as if you did the trip from Niffer to Strasbourg, rather than Strasbourg to Niffer as Michael is planning to do. I think you'd have noticed the flow if you were travelling upstream with a 50 hp engine!

When I travelled (downstream) in summer, there was about 3-4 km/h of favourable flow. My co-owner travelling upstream last year was pleased to have 210 hp on hand and he said they were moving quite slowly. He regretted going up to Basel - very poor mooring opportunities and costly in fuel. He realised he should have gone to Mulhouse and taken a 20 minute train ride to Basel, but then he would have wasted his €15 on a Swiss courtesy flag!!

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 27 May 2020 22:54 #116273

The Rhone & Rhine branch Nord is not a bad canal although the Southern end does look a bit daunting, fallen trees etc but perfectly OK for us and the lock onto the Rhine was unexpectedly manned by a student which we did not expect. Colmar is a beautiful town, diesel is (2018) available at the marina at Colmar as is washing machine etc. Rhine in midsummer 2018 was barely flowing. We are just 10m with less than half your HP, There are actually a few boat clubs marked on the chart, mostly on the German side but we just did it from Mulhouse to Colmar than Colmar to the Branche Nord. No problems at all for us even if my wife said she doesn't want to do it again (Great big boats going quite fast)

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 27 May 2020 19:40 #116271

I co-own my 15 m motor cruiser and it was taken by another owner from Strasbourg to Basel last year in the summer. I believe he took the Rhone au Rhin Nord Branche from Strasbourg before joining the Rhine / Canal d'Alsace. I'm told that there is some local silting where the RR meets the Rhine but it's navigable and the channel is buoyed. Also, you may be advised to check on the weed situation on the RR before you commit. I has been known to be pretty bad and I guess you probably don't have keel cooling.

Don't think it will be quicker taking the RR route - it won't- but your fuel bill will be significantly less! Starting from the Strasbourg Marina, you have 18 locks instead of 8 on the direct Rhine route. PC Navigo estimates 23.45 hours via RR and 22.20 direct.

There are places to stop on the Rhine section. I did the much quicker downstream route and stopped only one night - at Briesach on the French side of the Rhine itself. This is a good stopping place, but you'll need to find one or two more if going upstream. There are several that are marked on the charts - either Deutsche Binnwasserstrassen No 6 (that covers the Rhine from Basel to Koblenz) or Manfred Fenzl's Der Rhin (that covers the entire Rhine from Basel to the North Sea and most of its tributaries and distributaries), both published by Edition Maritim.

We passed other marinas or "boat clubs" so you shouldn't have difficulty finding places to stop, although asking locally in Strasbourg for suggestions is a good plan. The river is very well marked with large KM boards on both banks so you always know exactly where you are on the dull and monotonous waterway.

There's really little to worry about. There are a few huge locks that need to be contacted by radio. Keepers are helpful (though not too communicative unless you speak their language) and will allow you through even if no commercials are around. Easy locks with floating bollards and little turbulence.

Just opposite Briesach is the Canal de Colmar. I'm told this is a worthwhile diversion if you're not in a rush and you could stop there overnight of course.

Arriving at Niffer, you need to approach the upstream Small Lock and radio for admission. Once at the top (now on the Rhine au Rhin Canal) there's a boat club immediately on your starboard side, but I found it most unfriendly and was shouted at ("Private!") by boat owners even for thinking of stopping there! Instead we took the short and now defunct Canal Huningue to Kembs. This is only 1 km but there's a welcoming marina and very pleasant town there. Just take great care as you enter from the RR as the remains of a bridge with stone blocks that need to be avoided. The Rhone au Rhin is one of Europe's most attractive waterways and well worth spending plenty of time there. It's all beautiful, at least as far as Dole.

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Navigation UP the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse 27 May 2020 16:31 #116268

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Can anyone tell me if it is possible to navigate up the Rhine from Strasbourg to Mulhouse, to get from the Marne au Rhine to the Rhine auRhine. I am aware there is a strong flow against you, and I don't believe there are any suitable stopping places.
I am hoping that :
1) In July / August the flow won't be too much. Is there a website where one can get data on this?
2) You may be able to moor near the locks just for the night if needed.
3) The Rhone au Rhine Branche Nord from Strasbourg to Rhinau may be useable to reduce the distance on the Rhine. I believe there was (in 2016) some issue with silting at the southern end, but that it was due to be dredged.
It is about 100km to do the whole stretch and to try this in one day against the flow, and with possible delays at the locks, might be a bit too much.
Can anyone give me advice or pass on their experiences and suggestions for this stretch?
We have a Dutch motorcruiser 13m with a 100hp engine.
Thanks in advance.

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