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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 18 Apr 2020 19:10 #115349

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Hi James - Well done for digging out this old thread I started 9 years ago. Since we corresponded recently by PM, I've been reading and thoroughly enjoying your log of visits to the Mecklenburg area.

No, I've not thought more of doing an index for Doughty's OWIWL - I was rather hoping that you may have done so!

Since starting this thread many years ago, I've also bought a photographically reproduced copy of his Friesland Meres book - nowhere near as well produced as the Ashford Press reproduction of OWIWL, in particular the sketches in the former are rather poor. Nevertheless a very good read and well worth digging into when cruising the parts of NL he describes. Again, a pity there isn't an index.

Peter

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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 18 Apr 2020 16:46 #115345

I seem to recall that this thread was in response to pleas for books about cruising in the area but I can't locate posts earlier than Peter's 7th March 2011 one above. So I may already have mentioned these previously, but James' post prompted me to look on my bookshelf again and I'm reminded of H.M. Doughty's Friesland Meres & Through the Netherlands pub 1889 and H.F. Tomalin's Three Vagabonds in Friesland (with a Yacht and a Camera) pub 1907, both offering very interesting description of boating in the late C19 and early C20.

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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 18 Apr 2020 16:04 #115340

The Cruising Association library at their Regents Canal Dock HQ is amazingly extensive and includes many 1st Editions - worth the subscription for that alone if you are a bookworm.

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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 18 Apr 2020 15:20 #115338

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I have just found this thread whilst doing further research on H M Doughty.
First can we please get the spelling of Gipsy correct; it is not Gypsy!
Sometime after 1902 her name changed to Cyclops; changing back again to Gipsy when she "became home to a poor family"
She was broken up about 1950.
Peter, did you ever finish the index?
The Ashford Press edition is the same as the original with the exception that the Ashford Press edition does not have the detailed maps.
I have a copy if anyone is interested.
Original versions are in the library at the Royal Harwich Yacht Club and the Cruising Association Library; the latter can be had on loan I believe.
In addition to the Doughty, McKnight and Pilkington books C.S Forester covered Germany and the Mecklenburg Lakes in "The Annie Marble in Germany" published in 1930. A copy is available from the Cruising Association library. ( But not until the present Covid situation is over as the CA copy sits on my desk!) Forester also makes claims that he is the first British person to visit the lakes!
James.

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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 08 Mar 2011 09:10 #26100


Hugh's SBTG is not as comprehensive or informative as France' but is worth reading.
I acknowledge it is very difficult to cover an area or waterway. I recommend getting all books on your chosen area and devise your own filter.
Well, I would say that, wouldn't I?
Bill C
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Trevor

> it is labeled Second Edition on the title page

You're right - so is my 1985 edition. I was looking at AbeBooks listing of
this title and found that those flagged Second Edition seemed to be British
Library print to order books - at about ?20!

I bought the very nice Ashford Press volume, aparently new, from AbeBooks a
month or two ago for the great price of ?7. There are used copies there
today for less.

Incidentally I've just ordered "Slow Boat Through Germany" by Hugh McKnight.
I'm sure it will be nothing like his French Waterways book, but it must be
worth 1p! There are more copies at this daft price on Amazon or AbeBooks.

If I do my index (although I was hoping someone had already done so), I'll
do it before I set off. Otherwise I'll miss places that Doughty describes
so well. It will be great to visit the village he describes as:

"... very picturesque we found the village. ... The place had a dororous
look of poverty. Dirt and neglect pervaded everything. No gardens, not
even flowers in the windows. Children played in gutters running with
superfluities of nastiness. Manure heaps festered at their provident
proprietors' front doors. The 'Bouquet d'Allemagne' was just a bit too
prevalent. ... Our artists [his daughters] would have braved even the
gutters and the smells, could time have been afforded for a sketch or two"

I need to visit this place!

Peter
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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 08 Mar 2011 00:19 #26099


>
>> it is labeled Second Edition on the title page
>
> You're right - so is my 1985 edition.

I believe this is because they were "Facsimile reprints".

Regards,

Pete Hayselden.


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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 07 Mar 2011 23:33 #26098

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Trevor

> it is labeled Second Edition on the title page

You're right - so is my 1985 edition. I was looking at AbeBooks listing of
this title and found that those flagged Second Edition seemed to be British
Library print to order books - at about ?20!

I bought the very nice Ashford Press volume, aparently new, from AbeBooks a
month or two ago for the great price of ?7. There are used copies there
today for less.

Incidentally I've just ordered "Slow Boat Through Germany" by Hugh McKnight.
I'm sure it will be nothing like his French Waterways book, but it must be
worth 1p! There are more copies at this daft price on Amazon or AbeBooks.

If I do my index (although I was hoping someone had already done so), I'll
do it before I set off. Otherwise I'll miss places that Doughty describes
so well. It will be great to visit the village he describes as:

"... very picturesque we found the village. ... The place had a dororous
look of poverty. Dirt and neglect pervaded everything. No gardens, not
even flowers in the windows. Children played in gutters running with
superfluities of nastiness. Manure heaps festered at their provident
proprietors' front doors. The 'Bouquet d'Allemagne' was just a bit too
prevalent. ... Our artists [his daughters] would have braved even the
gutters and the smells, could time have been afforded for a sketch or two"

I need to visit this place!

Peter
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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 07 Mar 2011 23:02 #26097


One could add to the German list two 'good old days' reads by Roger
Pilkington:
1) 'Small Boat through Germany', pub 1963, describing the voyages of the
'Commodore' on the Rhine, Lahn, Weser and Fulda rivers.
2) 'Small Boat to Northern Germany', pub 1969, describing his voyage
from the Baltic across northern Germany.
There are I believe 14 books in the 'Small boat' series. Check out
AbeBooks or Amazon.

Cheers,
Trevor Glave
'Penelope's Ark'

Di Murrell wrote:
> Has anyone mentioned Hugh McKnight's book 'Slow Boat Through
> Germany'? I guess it is out-of-print but is certainly available at
> Abe Books or similar.
>
> Di
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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 07 Mar 2011 22:16 #26095


Hi Peter........I have a copy of OWIWL, bought 4 years ago on Abebooks.
It is a hard-covered Ashford Press 1985 version with the delightful
drawings but it is labeled Second Edition on the title page.

If you are volunteering to create an Index, go for it and more power to
you. When you are lying at anchor in the corner of a quiet Mecklenburg
lake working on the project you may well sense the ghost of the Gipsy
sailing or quanting by, with an appreciative wave from Captain Doughty!

Trevor Glave
'Penelope's Ark'

Peter Cawson wrote:
> Thanks Tam.
>
> The author is Henry Montagu Doughty, not George Doughty, so the simple
> AbeBooks search is for Title = Our Wherry in Wendish Lands.
>
> As you say, there are several copies available, but BUYERS BEWARE - the
> "Second Edition" appears to be a British Library Print on Demand book. This
> is likely to loose all the illustrations. Anyone wanting this book should
> look for the Ashford Press Publishing, 1985 Edition. It's a nicely bound
> hardback with all the illustrations drawn by the author's daughters as
> included in the original 1891 edition. In fact, apart from a 1985
> Introductory Note, it is identical to the original.
>
> What about the Index, though?
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>


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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 07 Mar 2011 18:50 #26091


Dear All,

Henry Montagu Doughty was the great great Grandfather of Trevor Doughty that I was at Southampton University with. He mentioned the Mechlenburg lakes while we were at college, it whetted my appetite 43 years ago. We managed to buy a very old copy, beautifully printed, with all the girls sketches in hardback from Amazon about two years ago. We were using it as our bible last year, along with the SportschiffahrtskartenBinnen and Barry's excellent but dated book.

Anybody who is thinking of going there would probably enjoy a peruse of Squire Doughty's tome.

On another topic, there is a nasty rumour going around that an international conglomerate is going to buy up all the established marinas on the Canal du Midi and start charging like a wounded bull for overnight stays, and winter storage will be tres cher, apparently. The rumour is running among the eclusiers at present and they are seldom wrong. They are suggesting that an overnight stay for a 15 metre boat will be circa EUR30 for the berth, plus electricity plus water at EUR2 per 100 litres. Just like Med prices.!!

Regards, John Best

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Thanks Tam.

The author is Henry Montagu Doughty, not George Doughty, so the simple
AbeBooks search is for Title = Our Wherry in Wendish Lands.

As you say, there are several copies available, but BUYERS BEWARE - the
"Second Edition" appears to be a British Library Print on Demand book. This
is likely to loose all the illustrations. Anyone wanting this book should
look for the Ashford Press Publishing, 1985 Edition. It's a nicely bound
hardback with all the illustrations drawn by the author's daughters as
included in the original 1891 edition. In fact, apart from a 1985
Introductory Note, it is identical to the original.

What about the Index, though?

Thanks

Peter

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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 07 Mar 2011 16:40 #26088

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Thanks Tam.

The author is Henry Montagu Doughty, not George Doughty, so the simple
AbeBooks search is for Title = Our Wherry in Wendish Lands.

As you say, there are several copies available, but BUYERS BEWARE - the
"Second Edition" appears to be a British Library Print on Demand book. This
is likely to loose all the illustrations. Anyone wanting this book should
look for the Ashford Press Publishing, 1985 Edition. It's a nicely bound
hardback with all the illustrations drawn by the author's daughters as
included in the original 1891 edition. In fact, apart from a 1985
Introductory Note, it is identical to the original.

What about the Index, though?

Thanks

Peter

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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 07 Mar 2011 15:28 #26086



On 7 Mar 2011, at 15:22, Tam Murrell wrote:
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> We just had a private mail asking for the reference I gave when I
> first mentioned this book, so I repeat it here.

Sorry. These long link addresses seem to break up in the posting and
don't work. Just try" Our Wherry in Wendish Lands - George Doughty",
and "Slow Boat Through Germany - Hugh McKnight" in Amazon and Abe Books.

Tam

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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 07 Mar 2011 15:22 #26085



On 7 Mar 2011, at 13:25, Peter Cawson wrote:

> What a wonderful read this book is! I can recommend this facsimile
> reprint of the 1890-91 travels of Henry Montagu Doughty and his
> family (and servants) in his Norfolk wherry, Gypsy from Friesland
> to Mecklengurg Lakes and thence to "Saxony Switzerland", now north
> Czech Republic.

We just had a private mail asking for the reference I gave when I
first mentioned this book, so I repeat it here. No-one seems to have
any of the original editions from 1890-93, but there are at least 10
copies of recent reprints available. One shows as a January 2011 soft
cover reprint:

Our Wherry in Wendish Lands From Friesland Through the Mecklenburg
Lakes to Bohemia (ISBN: 090706938X / 0-907069-38-X) George Doughty

www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_27?url=search-alias%
3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=our+wherry+in+wendish+lands&sprefix=our
+wherry+in+wendish+lands

www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults ?
an=doughty&bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&tn=throug
h+mecklenburg+lakes&x=44&y=10


While I was looking I checked Hugh McKnight's "Slow Boat through
Germany" that Di mentioned. I could not find any on Amazon, but Abe
Books had several:

Slow Boat Through Germany (Sailmate) (ISBN: 0713637781 /
0-7136-3778-1) Hugh McKnight

www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=hugh
+mcknight&bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&tn=slow+boat
+through+germany&x=48&y=9


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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 07 Mar 2011 14:36 #26082


Has anyone mentioned Hugh McKnight's book 'Slow Boat Through
Germany'? I guess it is out-of-print but is certainly available at
Abe Books or similar.

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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 07 Mar 2011 14:24 #26081



I enjoyed the book (and the drawings) - it certainly made me want to cruise the area in due course
PeterKotare

> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 04:25:58 -0800
> From: cawson at onetel.com
> To: dbacruising at lists.shire.net
> Subject: DBAc: An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands"
>
> What a wonderful read this book is! I can recommend this facsimile reprint
> of the 1890-91 travels of Henry Montagu Doughty and his family (and
> servants) in his Norfolk wherry, Gypsy from Friesland to Mecklengurg Lakes
> and thence to "Saxony Switzerland", now north Czech Republic.
>
> No doubt many others have read it and followed in the wake of Gypsy.
> Sheffield's "Inland Waterways of Germany" gives scant description of
> waterways, lakes and towns, so this old volume is probably the best text
> available in English - and what delightful English it is.
>
> Has anyone taken the trouble to compile an index to this book?
> Unfortunately this was not considered necessary in Victorian times, but an
> index of the towns, waterways and lakes Doughty describes against page
> numbers would be of great help while cruising this area.
>
> If no one has done so, I will probably have a go. It's a big job with over
> 400 pages covering more than 1600 miles, but it might be worth it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
>



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An Index to "Our Wherry in Wendish Lands" 07 Mar 2011 13:25 #26079

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What a wonderful read this book is! I can recommend this facsimile reprint
of the 1890-91 travels of Henry Montagu Doughty and his family (and
servants) in his Norfolk wherry, Gypsy from Friesland to Mecklengurg Lakes
and thence to "Saxony Switzerland", now north Czech Republic.

No doubt many others have read it and followed in the wake of Gypsy.
Sheffield's "Inland Waterways of Germany" gives scant description of
waterways, lakes and towns, so this old volume is probably the best text
available in English - and what delightful English it is.

Has anyone taken the trouble to compile an index to this book?
Unfortunately this was not considered necessary in Victorian times, but an
index of the towns, waterways and lakes Doughty describes against page
numbers would be of great help while cruising this area.

If no one has done so, I will probably have a go. It's a big job with over
400 pages covering more than 1600 miles, but it might be worth it.

Thanks

Peter


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