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TOPIC: Licencing - C&RT v EA

Licencing - C&RT v EA 08 Jan 2020 17:20 #112798

And the Direct Debit option for Thames incurs no charges - same cost if you pay up front or pay in six or ten instalments.
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Licencing - C&RT v EA 08 Jan 2020 15:59 #112795

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OK so I now have a definitive position...I think. It took 2 calls to C&RT and being put on hold while they contacted a back office to come up with a quote.

Our boat is 18.2m x 3.9m and moored on the Thames currently (70.98m2)
C&RT have emailed me the following:
If home mooring is on Thames £1640.17 (paid in full) or £1804.19 (paid by DD, but they dont say when or how many DD are taken over the year!)
If home mooring not on Thames then prices £1,347 and £1,456 respectively

The equivalent for our boat for EA @70m2 is £1532.30 for the whole year paid in full

It therefore appears that for our boat on the Thames the EA registration is less costly - I hesitate to use the phrase better value.

I trust this may be useful to others.
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Licencing - C&RT v EA 28 Dec 2019 13:36 #112546

Because they all grew up separately - any change results in winners and losers and the potential losers shout very loudly.

DBA policy is 'We will promote the use of navigation charges for barges which reflect a fair division of waterway costs, but we will oppose the application of charges based on the size of craft where size is not a significant element of costs.' (eg flat charge for navigation but accept variable mooring charges)

But that often receives the response - but you would say that as you all own big boats! Motor boating is seen as a luxury activity and not sport like sailing and rowing. Big boat = big income in many peoples minds.

We do have to keep pressure on at all user meetings - and help is always welcome........
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Licencing - C&RT v EA 28 Dec 2019 13:07 #112544

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I wonder why it all has to be so complicated!

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Licencing - C&RT v EA 28 Dec 2019 12:53 #112543

Thank you for reminding me of your dimensions. Please note that the figures you quoted are for craft up to 3.5m wide. You need to contact CRT to get the correct price for your ship.

For our narrowboat the EA licence is £602, CRT only £794 and Gold £1027.

(And - the calculation of Gold licence fees is a commercial secret which neither CRT or EA will share and there is suspicion that CRT keep more than their fair share of the income. The water is further muddied due to the three different EA charging schemes - area on the Thames and length only elsewhere and zero rated for VAT on EA waterways. The 'good' news is that EA are clearly minded to align their charging with CRT in anticipation of the government dumping EA responsibility onto CRT in exchange for future government funding.)
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Licencing - C&RT v EA 28 Dec 2019 11:23 #112539

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Andy, unfortunately we are 70m2

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Licencing - C&RT v EA 28 Dec 2019 11:18 #112538

Hello Tim,

No - this is a bargain year - as CRT start to phase out their prompt payment discount and phase in their wide beam surcharge.

CRT rates will increase in April.

If your ship is over 80 sqm then check the sum again as EA have a discounted rate (negotiated by DBA ) for sqm above 80.
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Licencing - C&RT v EA 28 Dec 2019 10:55 #112535

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Providence is 18.2m x 3.9m . To get an EA licence will cost me £1532.30 up front, but to get a C&RT Gold licence will cost £1347 paid in one go, or £1456 paid by DD instalments.

I cant see why I would buy an EA licence? Am I missing something? Help...
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