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TOPIC: Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK

Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 04 Jun 2020 15:05 #116443

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Have a lot of experience dealing with civil servants and we like to be different, so fingers crossed. Plus thanks for everyone's input, Great to be part of the DBA family.

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 04 Jun 2020 15:03 #116442

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Thanks again Andy

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 04 Jun 2020 15:02 #116441

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Many thanks for the photo, must have been prior to us taking over Kotare as there are flowers at the bow!

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 04 Jun 2020 12:04 #116426

For' principal' read 'principle' in the second phrase!

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 04 Jun 2020 12:03 #116425

If Kotare becomes your principal UK residence then there should be no problem - but you may have to explain the principal carefully - as it won't be in the script!

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 04 Jun 2020 11:26 #116422

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 04 Jun 2020 10:44 #116421

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Thanks Tim, will need to get back quite quickly!

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 04 Jun 2020 10:43 #116420

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Gosh, what a long list of people exempt including our driver plus hundreds of others!

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 04 Jun 2020 10:41 #116419

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Thanks again Andy, will need to check if we can isolate onboard Kotare!

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 03 Jun 2020 21:32 #116409

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 03 Jun 2020 21:31 #116408

The 'new' 'short' list of exempted personnel who do not need to isolate for 14 days - your lorry driver looks to be exempt - but could be more difficult for you - unless you go fruit-picking instead for a couple of weeks......... You will have to declare a destination but it can be any address in England.

The medical exemption appears to have tightened and now requires an appointment for treatment and an S2 form form your doctor.

Plans for checking of compliance seem surprisingly light if today's press reports are to be believed.

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 03 Jun 2020 17:28 #116397

You may already be aware, Piper have deliveries scheduled for August & September to Nieuwpoort, there may be a transport saving if you can wait that long.

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 03 Jun 2020 16:38 #116393

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Thanks for your response Peter, we made enquiries with Bristol Marina back in March prior to the Covid lock down. They said the may well have vacancies in April so try again then but no answer yet, perhaps closed and have sent email via website. Have another option in the area but Bristol much more convenient. Kotare is CE marked. Enjoy Bristol, my home city!

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 03 Jun 2020 14:49 #116391

"Apart from the required mooring" Do you have something already arranged?

At your end I second Balliols' advice ( don't know about Zeebrugge) there are several moorings enroute if you need to 'lose ' some time before your transport arrives. Also Westhoek marina at Nieuwpoort, Ben Siffer havenmeister for at least the day before your lift.

To add to Andys information - Bristol Docks is not covered by the CRT licence but you can get a short term visitors licence included in the mooring fee ... at a cost: for a 17 mtr boat £150+ for 7 days, £250 for 14 days. Or you can stay 24 hours and move to other waters if you do have that already planned! www.bristol.gov.uk/documents/20182/34144/Navigation+and+berthing+charges
They do require a BSS and insurance cert. Not sure what they can do if the boat is put in the water and you don't have a BSS.
Is Kotare CE marked?

We used the travel lift there in 2009 and then went to the Glos Sharpness canal via Portishead; also latterly to the K & Avon canal. PM me if you would like other details; we are in Bristol for the time being and our barge is in Friesland ...
Good luck with your planning
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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 02 Jun 2020 21:20 #116372

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Many thanks Andy for the very full response, we too are hoping that the quarantine situation may change by the time we head back! Not sure if we would be able to quarantine on board? Will need to further investigate.

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 02 Jun 2020 19:20 #116363

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You can lift in Flanders at Nieuwpoort Marina, at the new crane at Diksmuide (see recent thread for contact details) or I think there is a hoist at Zeebrugge but I can’t remember the yard name. Your transport company should know the options. Ray Bowern is a good option for making the overall transport arrangements (e.g. ensuring trucks and cranes coincide!)

But..... do the new quarantine rules allow trucks to enter the UK where not carrying essential goods ?? Not sure. You personally are allowed to return home if your home is in the UK. Perhaps you have to classify yourself as a snail, I.e. returning with home.

I would actually suggest that you secure your boat (cooker, fridge, drawers, cupboards etc.) as thoroughly as if you were crossing the channel. It can sometimes be a bumpy ride even on a truck!

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 02 Jun 2020 19:06 #116362

Hello Wendy and Dave,

CPL are probably the leading haulage company in the barge field for cross-channel deliveries. They should be able to advise on suitable craneage The advantage of road delivery is no waiting for the weather and securing the ship for transit - think caravans!

Bristol docks travel lift - www.bristolmarina.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23&Itemid=17

You can get a short term licence by self-certifying canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/library/1196.pdf but as it doesn't matter whether the boat is ashore or afloat it should be pretty easy to get a BSS - takes about 4 hours - have a good read of the BSS site - www.boatsafetyscheme.org/
Please note the special arrangements for COVID safety of both you and the examiner.

The 14 days quarantine is already being lobbied against by the airlines and as it is not yet in force watch for another government u-turn!

Good luck - drop me a PM if you have any other queries.







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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 02 Jun 2020 18:28 #116360

For your boat.
Talk to haulage companies.
See Supplies Directory on the DBA website.
CPL often used. Haulers can generally organise lifting.
Bristol had a 50 tonne travel lift some years ago, I assume it's still there, search their web site.

Boat Safety Scheme
I'm certain that you can go onto CaRT waters for a short time as "self Certifying" this gives you a few months to get a BSS inspection.

June 15 +
You will have to self isolate (quarantine) for 14 days, this can be in a hotel or at a friend's or families home, you must notify where you will be and be eligible for checking to see if you are there. Details I believe on the British Embassy web sites.

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Bringing a Sagar barge back to the UK 02 Jun 2020 16:34 #116358

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We are investigating bringing our Dutch barge Kotare (formerly Nancy May) back to the UK and looking for suggestions as to the things that need to be done prior to the journey. We may have to try and return rather quickly due to family issues and are therefore considering putting her onto a lorry and then heading to Bristol. What do we need to have in place besides the obvious mooring berth? Kotare was last surveyed by Simon Evans Marine (Migennes) prior to us purchasing in May 2017 and have had three inspection visits by the Belgium water authorities, which was mainly paperwork, fire extinguisher and life jackets, plus a check by customs who looked at paperwork and dipped our fuel tank. Kotare was originally built in 2001 but does not have a BSS certificate. The waterways are now open in Belgium and we have a further two weeks here in Coupure Bruges on winter mooring rates and would like to depart for the UK sometime later in June. Also need to find out about implications regarding returning back to the UK with Kotare post 15 June. Many thanks, Wendy & Dave Rowley

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