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EA Consultation on Navigation Registration Charges 11 Sep 2021 19:38 #125645

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Only 1 week left to reply to the consultation:

Remember - at least 10% increase over two years. EA lied - they are harmonising on area charging 'to align with CRT' who charge on length with a modest widebeam surcharge. Commercial response will be low - most will pay less!

Dear Stakeholder,
As you are already aware, we are currently running the consultation on our Navigation boat registration charges 2022 to 2024.
There is just over a week to go before the consultation closes on 16 September 2021. So we wanted to give you a bit of an update on response rates to the consultation and to remind you that there is still time for your and those you represent to give us your views.
As of yesterday we have received a total of 669 responses, broken down as follows:
Thames: 329

Anglian: 277

Medway: 22

Other: 41

Commercial (of the above): 5

Please do take the opportunity to respond if you haven’t already done so, and to also encourage your members to respond.
You will see that as it stands we have currently received low numbers of responses from the commercial sector. Whilst we do recognise that it is a very busy time for them in the middle of the season and summer holidays, we do want to make sure they are aware of how the proposals will affect them and that their views are well represented. Therefore if you are able to help in sharing the reminder with any commercial contacts you may have, we would really appreciate it. We are also planning an email reminder directly to all our commercial customers.
In case you need it again, you can find the Navigation charges consultation page, together with all the relevant information on Citizen Space – consult.environment-agency.gov.uk/environment-and-business/nav-boat-reg-charge .
We do recognise that the consultation is quite long but you can choose which sections are most relevant to you.
I would like to thank those who have already responded via the consultation tool, emailed us your views or who attended our live Q&A sessions a few weeks back. We really do appreciate all your time and efforts supporting this consultation. Your views are important to help us decide the way forwards for our proposals.
Many thanks
Sam Holland

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EA Consultation on Navigation Registration Charges 22 Aug 2021 14:09 #125186

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OK, seen the attachment and I'm pleased to say that my answers pretty much match those suggested.
I wasn't in favour of a charge on the Wye and Lugg but I might have been if EA had provided a run down of the services they provide on these rivers.
The other variation was on question 33a ''carriage of goods'', this is of particular interest to me due to my involvement with the Narrow Boat Trust.
Cargo carrying on the Thames is almost non existent and this is partly due to the antiquated toll system which, because of the infrequency, none of the lock keepers understand. Our crews usually have to tell the lock keepers how to fill in the appropriate toll books! The toll system dates back to Conservancy days when barges still carried cargo to wharves and these would have been single journeys to single destinations so the toll system made sense. Those types of journey don't happen now and haven't for many, many years, instead the trips are multi drop which don't lend themselves easily to a cost per tonne/mile. Also diesel fuel boats such as Nb Merchant don't get a fair deal because there is no suitable system of charging for the way it operates. As far as NBT is concerned the proposal makes no difference to our budget but it would avoid unnecessary confusion and even unjust suspicion .
A one off annual fee such as that proposed would be far simpler and fairer, it might also encourage more freight on the river but I'm not holding my breath!
So I ask all to please support this particular part.

Keith

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EA Consultation on Navigation Registration Charges 22 Aug 2021 13:15 #125181

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Hello Keith,

So I discovered - hence adding an attachment in my latest note 125177 - does that work for you?
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EA Consultation on Navigation Registration Charges 22 Aug 2021 12:42 #125178

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Hi Andy,
Unfortunately all I get is an error message saying I'm not allowed to perform this action when I click on the briefing note links.
Hopefully my ''winging it'' will have similar answers to those suggested.

Keith

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EA Consultation on Navigation Registration Charges 22 Aug 2021 12:40 #125177

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Sorry - my previous message lost the LINKS! See below

Amended text : second 'briefing note' link is to the suggested answers. Don't forget to send in your response!

I have met with the other National and Thames organisations discussing this consultation.

The Thames organisations have agreed a briefing note on the consultation.

and suggested answers - attached

The aim of this approach is to stop the consultation from being approved by the Secretary of State. EA will then have to continue current charges unchanged and consult again (hopefully properly) next year. Although this is a Thames agreed response it supports both Anglian and Medway boaters who will find their charges changed to an area basis with consequent increases next year.

I have also attended a virtual meeting of the RYA Inland Navigation Panel and will circulate the RYA response when known.

Their proposals are neither simple nor fairer

Please respond to the consultation!! HERE

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EA Consultation on Navigation Registration Charges 22 Aug 2021 12:32 #125176

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Amended text : second 'briefing note' link is to the suggested answers. Don't forget to send in your response!

I have met with the other National and Thames organisations discussing this consultation.

The Thames organisations have agreed a briefing note on the consultation.

and briefing note with suggested answers

The aim of this approach is to stop the consultation from being approved by the Secretary of State. EA will then have to continue current charges unchanged and consult again (hopefully properly) next year. Although this is a Thames agreed response it supports both Anglian and Medway boaters who will find their charges changed to an area basis with consequent increases next year.

I have also attended a virtual meeting of the RYA Inland Navigation Panel and will circulate the RYA response when known.

Their proposals are neither simple nor fairer

Please respond to the consultation!! ! HERE

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EA Consultation on Navigation Registration Charges 21 Aug 2021 21:24 #125167

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Just completed the consultation and I look forward to EA adopting all of my recommendations!

Keith
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EA Consultation on Navigation Registration Charges 21 Aug 2021 19:42 #125165

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I have met with the other National and Thames organisations discussing this consultation.

The Thames organisations have agreed a briefing note

and briefing note

The aim of this approach is to stop the consultation from being approved by the Secretary of State. EA will then have to continue current charges unchanged and consult again (hopefully properly) next year. Although this is a Thames agreed response it supports both Anglian and Medway boaters who will find their charges changed to an area basis with consequent increases next year.

I have also attended a virtual meeting of the RYA Inland Navigation Panel and will circulate the RYA response when known.

Please respond to the consultation!! Their proposals are neither simple nor fairer! HERE

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EA Consultation on Navigation Registration Charges 27 Jul 2021 19:09 #124686

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Seems to me at first glance their ''simpler system'' is actually making a complicated system even more complicated, especially for Thames users.
I don't know how they have the nerve to call these things consultations, the reality is they are merely announcements.
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EA Consultation on Navigation Registration Charges 22 Jul 2021 20:13 #124611

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Hi Andy just had a quick look having my dinner in a hotel , I’m afraid it’s all gobbledygook to me , hopefully you can work it out and advise ,
Good luck mate.
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EA Consultation on Navigation Registration Charges 22 Jul 2021 16:49 #124609

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The EA have today published the expected Navigation Consultation on boat registration charges proposals HERE .
I have had very limited prior knowledge of the proposals and am furiously trying to analyse them! They look more severe for Anglian and Medway registrations than Thames.

“Dear TNUF member,

We are pleased to announce that our Navigation charges consultation is now live.

The consultation will be running for 8 weeks, until 16 September 2021.

You will find the Navigation charges consultation page, together with all the relevant information on Citizen Space - Boat registration charges proposals from 1 January 2022 - Environment Agency - Citizen Space. We do encourage you and your members to respond online. We have also attached the full consultation document for your reference.

Please do share with your members. We really value your views and would like as many people as possible to respond. We do recognise that the consultation is quite long but you can choose which sections are most relevant to you.

We will be emailing or writing to all our 18,000 customers to let them know as well. We will also be promoting through press releases to trade and local print media and through social media.

To give you the opportunity to ask any questions should you need to, we will be running 2 virtual drop in sessions. These are provisionally arranged for Wednesday 11 August and Wednesday 18 August – appointments to follow.

Many thanks,

Maria & Mark

Maria Herlihy
Operations Manager for Thames Area
Waterways Manager – Hurley Lock to Teddington Lock

Mark Hill
Operations Manager -Thames Area
Waterways Manager - St John’s Lock to Hambleden Lock”

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